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148 December 28th, 2015 Another Talker With Anemic Ratings! The Meredith Vieira Show To Get Cancelled? Wouldn’t A New Soap Serve Up Better Daytime TV?

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While networks, cablers, and syndicators continue to assault the daytime audience with one talk show after another, one lifestyle series retrending after another, there are only a handful that continue to take hold in the market and flourish, while the continuation of new talkers seemingly end up being canned!

Last month, we learned that Tyra Banks walked out on her own talk show, FABLife, which has delivered poor ratings and has not helped to bolster General Hospital, who could use a nice lead-in and lead-out to continue to drive eyeballs to it, since there is no longer an ABC Daytime programming block.

Now comes word via a report from Page Six that Meredith Vieira’s talker, The Merdeith Vieira Show is about to be cancelled.  They report that, “The talk show is telling reps of celebrity guests that it will be canceled, and the plug will be pulled in March.  The news comes after the network had ­already tinkered with Vieira’s format in an ­effort to boost ratings during its second season, but it hasn’t helped.  The show debuted in its new format in September with a 0.8 household rating, down 50 percent from its first-season premiere.”

The Meredith Vieira Show is currently on hiatus for two weeks for the holidays. Production will resume in January with no announcement regarding a 3rd season having been made.

So this brings up these points:  We all know soaps are much so more expensive to produce, and very difficult to upkeep, and traditionally have had to be on five days a week.  We also know it’s difficult to make soaps revelant again to the majority of the mainstream, and the younger female demographic who has tuned out to soaps over recent years.  But still, when soap fans and/or the female demo sit on the sidelines and continue to watch one celebrity guest hit all the numerous talkers in a span of two days pushing their latest product, is that truly more interesting programing than a soap? It doesn’t seem to be proving it in the ratings, either!

Will we ever see the day when one of the networks such as ABC or NBC will even try to put on a new or revitalized half-hour soap ( or even two half-hours soaps to fill the hour time block, or even an hour soap), when primetime clearly is producing series and pilots that are extra soapy? What about taking a lead from CBS’s successful The Bold and the Beautiful?   What about coming up with a continuing story that can reach the younger demos and interest them by utilizing social media in the most inventive and intergrated way with the storytelling?

So, share your thoughts on the daytime wars …. the state of talkers vs. soap operas, and if you think any network programming executive will ever venture, or entertain the notion of putting on soap-type format in the daypart again?

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  1. su0000 says:

    A new soap would be great but-
    There are no soap writers !!!
    The pool of soap writers is near empty and the young vibrant in the 21st century writers see soap writing as obsolete.

    What we have are senior citizens writing soap by the same old 80 scripts, that is what they know, the 80′s that is how and what they write… It’s all the same from decades past, they don’t move forward into new writing, new formatting, new anything.
    And, yes the writers are older;

    Jill Farren Phelps= 65

    Jean Passanante= 63

    Chuck Pratt jr= 60

    Bradley P. Bell= 51

    Frank Valentini= 51

    Ron Carlivati= 45 <– the young blood/new ideas..

    Ron was the young blood.. He was the modern writer..
    Many a time, many, people would remark that GH was like primetime..
    And it was..

    So, as far as a new soap.. who would write..
    Sure couldn't go back to the same old with the writers of yesterday.. Where would a crew of new 21st century media writers come from that would even want to write a daytime soap..?

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    su0000 replied

    ohh and before I get jumped..
    I did not mean they are old like in old, they are old writers, been writing since the 80′s/whatever.. The soaps need young writers, 30-40yrs old, to bring the soaps out of the 80′s and into the 21st century, and what we have can not do that.

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    Trophy Lady replied

    Su, I’m in that 30-40 year old category that you speak of, and I so strongly disagree with you. There isn’t anything wrong with the “older” writers continuing to write CLASSIC soap. That’s the problem — so many of them are trying to write trash that is for the young audience they so desire, but guess what? There’s no LOYALTY from the younger audience. Young people simply don’t care to be loyal to anything. If anything, should they bring in younger writers, then they need to work under older, more established writers in order to learn the CLASSIC style of the genre.

    I am a LOYAL fan of soaps because my mom LOVED them. She was a stay-at-home mom and some of my favorite childhood memories involve sitting around with my mom during the summer as we watched our soaps. I continue to watch because I had that solid foundation. Kids today don’t have that. I don’t believe that most young (30-40 year olds) have that foundation, either.

    Just as a side note, you mentioned that the older writers need to get out of the 1980s and move into the 21st century. Believe me when I say, you ABSOLUTELY don’t want that to happen to the soaps in regards to storytelling. I’m all for it when it comes to issues — especially the black woman/white man romantic aspect of it. Those couples are sorely lacking on daytime, and there were actually a few interracial couples in the 1970s and 1980s. They didn’t last, but they were there. Soaps today need to buck up and take the lead with such storytelling. Just like they’ve done with homosexual stories. They need to do the same with black woman/white male couples and not be afraid of the racists who will undoubtedly take issue with such couples. Develop black women/white men loving, caring, romantic couples that WILL last in 2015 and beyond. These couples are all around us in everyday life, and they should be shown on daytime. Don’t cower to racists!

    But as far young blood needed to get the “creative juices” flowing — believe me, there is absolutely NOTHING romantic about this current culture of “Netflix and Chill.” If that is what becomes of the daily soap opera, I would be first in line demanding cancellation.

    Phil replied

    I would love to write a daytime soap! My first choice would be to write for DAYS, but I am all for writing something new. Personally, I think it’s time for daytime to step it up some and incorporate social media more! Fan input is key!

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    su0000 replied

    hi Trophy Lady.
    the writers are from eras past..
    the soaps need new young blood, to get out of the 80′s story telling.
    You grew up with the soap, but the new audience needed most have not.
    And yes, the people needed to keep soaps alive, are Netflix binge watchers, their 21st century media is cable and movies that have next to nothing to do with love couples and their triangles and love problem in tv and movies, that’s from grandmas time, to them.
    The media has drastically changed, evolved since these writers were writing soaps.. I’d bet they do not know names of any rap stars nor one of their songs,(rap has been going since the 90′s) or the players of ‘their soap’ -> Games of Thrones.. just an example of then and now.
    New young writers is needed.
    RC is 45 and the young blood, go figure.

    Not saying to drastically change the soaps,of course not.
    but to modernize them,
    and the current writers can not do that, they write as they are still lost in the 80/90′s..

    LONG LIVE GH, long after J&S are shown the exit door..

    louisa replied

    Good writers come in all shapes, sizes and ages, It is about creativity and talent. Not age. 66-year-old Julian Fellowes writes about young women in 1912 England and wins an Emmy for Downton Abbey. And at 34, Gennifer Hutchison penned the famous “I am the one who knocks” monologue for Breaking Bad’s 50-something Walter White.

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    Rose replied

    I don’t think good story telling is ever passé, for any generation. It’s a shame the networks didn’t seem to invest in building a “farm team” of daytime soap writers like baseball teams develop players. So now they are left with no one to carry the torch that still include the cornerstone of daytime soaps…family, community and relationships.

    That doesn’t mean daytime doesn’t need to refresh ideas while keeping to the spirit of this genre…which seems to be a “kinder, gentler” mentality as opposed to prime time which includes way more gratuitous violence and really disturbed people who act out in more awful ways.

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    CeeCee replied

    I would write, su. Better yet, Jimh is the best candidate for the job. How about it, Jimmy? What say you?
    You would be great yourself, su. You do know all the angles around a good story, no? Later.

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    rebecca1 replied

    Su..If I recall you loved the online version of OLTL. I thought it was beyond crap. Throwing in the word shit every other sentence also impressed you.

    Soaps are a genre. They’re continuing stories. GH is continuing from the 80s and before. The whole joy of watching a daytime soap is because it IS different from other forms of media. I loved the mob stories…in The SOPRANOS. It couldnt get more gritty than the prison drama OZ. It couldn’t get more sexual, raunchy or more hilarious than CALIFORNICATION. I love GAME OF THRONES, THE LEFTOVERS, RAY DONOVAN and many others…

    My point is daytime soaps are not any of the above. And they don’t try to be. A soap is like a familiar friend. You tune in every day…or you binge watch…but it’s the ongoing stories, romances, friends, families, twisted, convoluted relationships, loyalties, beyrayals…humor, heartwarming stories about people. People viewers feel they know.

    Soaps are never going to be the way you envision them. And they shouldn’t be. For when they become that they’ll no longer be daytime soap operas. They might be good shows…but they’d be other shows. The vision you have and want are not daytime soaps.

    Yes, the genre is phasing out. Unfortunately. As you say, and which is obvious, it’s a different time. So we viewers who appreciate soaps as they were conceived to be will continue to watch as long as we still care about the characters and their lives. And writing human stories is timeless. Kiki, Morgan, Maxi, Johnny, Elizabeth, Kelly…these are not old or antiquated characters. And we follow them because of their lives and loves…just like fans did during Ann, Robert, Luke, Laura, Lucy, Scotty, Bobby…all the vets who were younger then…and are still loved and wanted today. Just as Jason Thompson said in his exit interview…they should write more for John York (Mac). Not because he’s an action figure or a crime lord, but everything you hate…warm and fuzzy.

    There are a lot f other shows…genres…that have what you’re looking fir. But theyre not “our soaps.”

    I get that you like talking, critiqing and stating soaps are no longer relevant in today’s world. I honestly don’t understand why you watch them. I mean it seriously. Why waste time watching something you feel outdated and boring…

    Daytime audiences are not what they once were. More people work, others watch cable. There are a host of reasons why it’s difficult for many shows in dayrime to survive. But how many nightime shows can say they’ve been on firty or fifty years? They all wind up getting canceled in a few seasons.

    As another poster always ends with, “Long live GH!” And may it never resort to modernizing to appease the few… ;)

    CeeCee replied

    @Rebecca1
    Get off of my cloud. Do not click on my personal space. I want to receive nothing from you on my inbox. Please refrain from doing so. Click on your own ‘reply’ and stay away from mine. Happy New Year. Try, anyway.

    su0000 replied

    hi rebecca1.
    No, I was never a lover of OLTL.. I did watch but was not my fav.

    It is not about soap fans..
    It is about new soap that would get no more viewers than the soap fans now, a small about viewers and soaps not evolving to get new viewers…
    IF there were to be new viewers to keep the soaps alive, they would be tuning in now. They are not tuning in because they don’t want to watch these soaps.
    If they did the numbers would rise and rise, they are not.

    Soaps are old fashioned and will not attract many new viewers, the young would not invest daily to even get to know the chatterers and the backstories, it takes awhile to even know what is going on, they would not do that.

    The new viewers would be;
    Newly Retired people…. (not of demo wanted/needed) and they might not even care to watch a soap.

    Disabled peoples, who will be home with the time and want to become involved in a soap by putting in the time to get know who is whom and what’s is going on..

    And daughters and Sons of parents now watching IF they even watched along to continue to watch.

    The now fans have soap burnout and are tuning out.
    Soaps are repeats of the 80′s scripts; been there done that a 100 times, tune out.
    To keep the fans that are, new fresh writers new fresh stories are needed and we get that from new younger writers.
    The left writers from eras past can give new fresh perspectives stories, they did not live in the world of past decades to connect.

    Soaps will live longer with new writers and stories.

    rebecca1 replied

    Lol Su. Okay. We’re never going to agree on this but I always appreciate your response and humorous posts! :)

    rebecca1 replied

    CeeCee.. I never reply personally to you. I did this time in the hope you’d get my message. I’m sick of this animosity. Too many real problems in life for us to get crazed over stuff like this.

    Peace and Happy New Year!

  2. Stephanie says:

    I would love to see another soap added to the daytime lineup. You would think since the talk shows essentially pay their audience to attend (gift giveaways), that the money could be put to better use in a soap. It’s been said that the soaps used to pull in so much money that they funded the night shows; too bad it doesn’t work the other way around. Truly miss the #ATWT cast.

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    KansasGuest replied

    I think ABC should try a half-hour soap format, like B&B. It would be cheaper to produce, & have a smaller cast. EDGE OF NIGHT & CAPITOL were half-hour formats IIRC, & they were not boring. If they don’t want to reinvent the wheel, they could try transitioning one of the online soaps to daytime since the audience would be built-in. I know they’ll get a lot of flack from the OLTL & AMC fans. But, those soaps are still tied up in court w/Prospect Park.

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    CeeCee replied

    Great idea!

    Elizabeth replied

    And the entire cast could come from a pared down GH!

  3. Eunice says:

    Could you also please get rid of “Fab life” and “The View”. They are 2 really horrible shows.

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    JUDY K replied

    RIGHT ON…CANNOT BELIEVE ANYONE WASTES THEIR TIME TO WATCH THESE SHOWS!

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    Patricio replied

    Fa life is an imbarisment to ABC ! The view is a trainwreak !

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  4. lovesam1122 says:

    I pretty much tuned her out when she put all those talking points on at the beginning, not interested in anymore of that junk, it ruined her show for me

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  5. Ray says:

    It seems every talk show is trying to copy the format of “The View” and “The Talk” Last week, I watched seconds of the talk show with Loni Love/Tamar Braxton. Painful. Then there is the Tyra Banks fiasco talk show. Meredith changed her format to include Lance Bass, but it came across as more of a copycat of the other shows.

    Here is an idea. Create a new 30-minute soap opera and follow the same business plan as “Bold and Beautiful,” a huge success in other countries. I would love to see the show tape in New York and have many of the unemployed actors from “Another World,” “As the World Turns,” “Guiding Light,” “All My Children” and “One Life to Live” as cast members.

    Another idea is to follow the lead of CBS and realize that “Let’s Make a Deal” and “The Price Is Right” proves that game shows are not dead. I would love to see an updated version of “Password” or “Concentration” instead of another talk show. If Katie Couric and Meredith can’t make it work, someone needs to realize we don’t need another one.

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    CeeCee replied

    I do agree with your observations, Ray, except that THE TALK is not an original format, as you indicate. It too, copied THE VIEW, which has been the leader for twenty years. THE TALK is the biggest copycat…..to the letter; literally. But, I just can’t warm up to that show.
    And, speaking of game shows…. I agree. I am crazy about the passe’ shows. I DVR most shows on BUZZR TV every night….my favorite? SUPER PASSWORD.

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    Timmm replied

    Cee, there isnt a brick close enough to my TV when Sheryl Underwood comes on The Talk! She is one of the most annoying people on TV! I remember when Steve Burton announced he would be on Y&R and made an appearance on The Talk. When he came out she “Mounted” him and screamed for about five minutes. It was disgusting and he seemed so uncomfortable!

    CeeCee replied

    @Timmm.
    Exactly. I was going to specifically name names, but then I changed my mind. Cheryl thinks she’s funny. I don’t really watch….albeit I have caught several eps. She just ‘hogs’ guests as they come through greeting the panelists. She’s another one with the personal sexual innuendoes. I am no prude because we all make them, but, we do not get personal. That is do base.
    Then, there’s Whoopi with her ‘vibrator’ experiences. …..thing is, I LOVE Whoopi, but, I do not like hearing about her ‘dates’ with her vibrator.

    jimbo replied

    the original PASSWORD was the best with the lightning round popping out of the desk and SMART stars. amble on over to YouTube and watch the shows with elizabeth montgomery.

    Abruzzfan replied

    @CeeCee – I agree 100%! Happy Newer Year!

    Timmm replied

    Ray, you make a good point, why not sell these soaps to other countries. American TV adopts some foreign shows and or their ideas. Theres money in exporting our TV shows, for sure.

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    Lou Piikes replied

    Foreign countries don’t won’t to pay thousands of dollars dubbing a a 250 episode soap opera. It would help if American soap had a hiatus. The networks were to lazy are didn’t care enough to change the format. Cable show would love to rerun our soaps. But their is no beginning middle or end so its hard to know where to begin.

    nicholas replied

    Quite a number of soaps from the states have been sold to foreign countries . Santa Barbara , Young and restless , Bold and Beautiful , Days , Another World , Sunset Beach , General hospital , Passions , Guiding light , All my children , One life to live have all at one point been broadcast in some countries internationally . Many of these soaps were cancelled in some international countries due to low ratings . Many of these countries caught up late on the soap genre and many of these soaps didn’t screen from the beginning . Currently all 3 soaps at the exception of General Hospital are shown on foreign tv’s . But in some countries some of the 3 soaps if not all of them have either been cancelled or sent to pay tv . In Australia you watch Days and Young on pay tv , Bold is still on free tv in Australia , General Hospital was cancelled in Australia a long time ago .

  6. Lou Piikes says:

    A new soap will suffice. But is has to be different format than the five day a week without a hiatus. Daytime has to change in order to attract younger viewers.

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    Timmm replied

    Lou, you bring up a great point and discussed it on one of your replies. Soaps need to adjust to the times and yes, have seasons. It give the actors free time to do other projects and saves networks money. Then maybe we can shop these shows oversees.

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    James replied

    Limited run daily soaps have been sellable for years. Have them run for as long as only 13 to 20 weeks with a complete beginning, middle and end.

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  7. shana kay says:

    All the talk shows are the same and we’re sick of them, they all have the same stars on them to push the new movies. Leave Kelly and Michael and The View where they are and give us a soap after General Hospital. It would get watched, I tune to NCIS or Bones after GH is done, and we don’t watch any normal programing till 4 when the local news is on. Talk shows get pretty boring after all, I tried watching Meridith, as I liked her on The View, but not on her own, it just didn’t do it for me.

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  8. Tad says:

    Forget a new soap. I’m waiting to hear if Days of Our Lives will be renewed beyond September 2016.

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  9. Linda says:

    I am not surprised Meredith is getting the axe as the show isnt very good in my opinion. Katie Couric had a better show. A new soap would be nice but I doubt if ABC will go with that. They could have a re-run hour showing classic AMC and OLTL. How much would that affect their budget?

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  10. Joel says:

    ABC, CBS and NBC will never produce a new soap.

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  11. Sue says:

    As an advid soap fan I will continue to boycott ABC. I’m a 58 yr old college educated woman who’se watched the soaps my entire life. Who do they think is in the work force spending money on tech for their kids. I’m not interested in another talk/cook/lifestyle show when I get home after a hard days work I want to escape for a while.

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    Llanviewer717 replied

    Very well said.

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    JUDY K replied

    TOTALLY AGREE…NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN ANOTHER TALK/COOK/LIFESTYLE SHOW!!!

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    jimbo replied

    Amen, sister!

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  12. Jimh(leave it to beaver) says:

    Yes…a new soap: ” EVERDAY PEOPLE!”…When wealthy Gordan Bennett finally awakens from his coma, will he accuse his society wife Elizabeth of attempted murder…what caused these mysterious blackouts Caroline Marshall have been having that made her drive her car off the road resulting in her sister Julia’s miscarriage…why did Steven Grant really return to Bently Falls after serving five years in prison for a murder he didnt committ…will Alan Marshall leave his wife Caroline for her sister Julia…what is Bennet Houskeeper Louise Tate’s secret connection to Gordan Bennett and ex convict Steven Grant..did Alan Marshall frame his old friend Steven for the death of Erik Douglas who was blackmailing Alan after learning Alan had been embezzling money from Bennett Enterprises…Tune in tomorrow for the next exciting episode of “Everyday People” on most of theses stations!!!…ok, enough fun…would love to see a new soap but doubt networks will go there because of the costs ect. but it sure would be wonderful if they gave it a try!!!

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    Jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    oop…’ Everyday!’

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    Rose replied

    Giving it a try (with good stories) couldn’t be that much more expensive than all of the misses the’ve had.

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    Rose replied

    JimH…bit of trivia…Not an EVERYDAY PEOPLE, but recently I read Fred Astaire watched The Guiding Light and As The World Turns everyday

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    Jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Tallulah Bankhead was an Edge Of Night fan…one time she got anger over a character cheating on his wife…she called the studio and suggested they have her shoot the-begins with a B-lol…Elizabeth Montgomery and Jackie Kennedy were fans of Dark Shadows…Liz Taylor liked GH…Carol Burnett liked AMC…Sammy Davis was a fan of Love Of Life and Judy Garland watched Another World…there were many famous people who watched the soaps but i didnt know Fred Astaire was one of them…thanks for info…its back to bed for me…i got the flu. Later!

  13. Torrey says:

    That would be nice if they would introduce two half hour soaps, but these networks have proven that they don’t fully stand behind the daytime community or its viewing audience. I still to this day miss my OLTL and AMC….and you are so right with pointing out how the Primetime lineup is soapier and soapier with each new program that airs…But my guess is, once they pull the plug on The Meredith Viera show, they will just replace it with another cheap talk show that no one is interested in.

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  14. scott says:

    Oltl please

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  15. boes says:

    One can only hope. A revitilized One Life to Live, perhaps? I’ll just dream on.

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  16. Robert says:

    Will this finally wake up the powers that be at ABC to see their failed? ? Bring back AMC, OLTL and other soaps!! NOONE WANTS ANOTHER TALK SHOW OR INFORMATIVE SHOW. PERIOD!!

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  17. CeeCee says:

    Yes, yes, yes….a new soap would be the ticket to happiness for many of us. But, why new? Bring back OLTL. Answer my prayers, ye gods!!!!!!

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    Llanviewer717 replied

    Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Tim Welles replied

    I agree – I know I’m a broken record but they should combine the remnants of ONE LIFE TO LIVE with All My Children and present that as a lead in to GH but please don’t attack me for saying that – don’t worry it won’t happen anyway for I do not know who owns the rights to the shows at this point.
    ABC-TV did not even CONSIDER another model for the shows, nor trimming them down to one show, nor combining them. So, let the chips fall
    where they may.

  18. Jeanene says:

    Excellent piece, Michael! No more talk shows, it is overkill. I need OLTL and AMC back. I believe the ratings for these shows were much higher than this current fare. At least CBS has a balance of soaps, talk shows and game shows. When will ABC wake up and realize that people don’t want talk shows, they want their soaps back.

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  19. Ricardo says:

    I love Meredith, but her talk show was boring to watch. We need One Life To Live back. I know I am dreaming but we need Viki Buchanan back, Clint David Vickers, Nora, Nigel and sexy Roxy. Please Please bring back OLTL. Man do I miss that soap. Too many crappy talk shows out there, I know there cheaper to produce. but they are garbage, same crappy topics lol. I hate the chew. all has beens lmao. But I have to say , I love the Talk. That’s all I watch now. I hope they renew Days Of Our Lives. News is coming soon, regarding the soaps future. I have a feeling Days will get another 2 year extension.

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    Llanviewer717 replied

    I miss our beloved One Life to Live every second!!!!!!!!!!! I also really enjoyed the online All My Children. We want interesting characters and stories. We want someone to care about. Meaningless talk shows do NOT cut it.

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  20. robert says:

    their are way too many daytime talk shows,and are only a few good ones. one of the reasons General Hospital’s ratings have gone down because ABC daytime crumbled and it has no lead in anymore. Look at CBS and their mixed daytime lineup of soaps,game shows,and a talk show,they have something for everybody. One of the reasons Y&R is the number 1 daytime drama is because of The Price is Right lead in,which is the number 1 rated daytime show. General Hospital is all on it’s own now. The View has collapsed in recent years,recentaly being de-throned by the talk. abc ruined their daytime lineup,and now their paying for it. Although soap ratings have gone down over the years,they still rate higher than a lot of other daytime programs. B&B delivered it’s highest rated season in a decade with it’s great transgender storyline. Chuck Pratt has raised Y&R’s ratings by giving it a primetime feel. DAYS ratings have gone up. GH’s demos are horrible,and I have seen no changes,their the worst soap right now,and instead of fixing it,they roll out horrible talk shows. abc is probably losing a lot of ad money. soaps can succeed if the networks care

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  21. me says:

    While we’re at it, let’s start taking pictures with film again. Then we can go back to putting all music on LP only. While I’m listening to my records, I can wash my clothes by beating them on a rock and hanging them up to dry. While I’m waiting for them to dry, I’ll compose a hand-written note to the networks saying how much I love soaps, and I’ll mail it to them so they’ll get it right away (4 days later).

    The point is that time marches on, and it is time to move on. People do not watch them anymore. They had their chance, just like the dinosaurs, but it’s OVER. The fact that talk shows do no better does not change the fact that soaps will never return to their glory days. They just need better replacements.

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    rebecca1 replied

    Actually vinyl LP records have made and continue to make a comeback. Adele’s record-selling album…pun not intended but oh-so appropro…has come out in vinyl.

    Hand drying dishes and air drying laundry is favored by some who prefer healthy living and clean air over convenience.

    The art of letter writing is not dead. It’s more personal…and partcularly recommended when sending a thank you follow up to a job interview.

    Tony Bennet sings alongside Lady Gaga, Tom Jones still brings in a crowd of all ages, young musicians respect the rock, soul, blues music gods before them…rock n roll will never die….and all that jazz….

    I get your point. I just think the genre needs better marketing… better lead-ins…and actually a return to days of yore, nkt more of a departure. Most fans of GH miss the OLD GH. The stories, families, relafionships, adventures, vets….

    Bring those back, add their kids, grandkids…extended families. Hang out at Ruby’s. Refer to tbe past with al ook to tbe future. GH loses viewers with each vet they kill off or ignore. Killing off the past is killing the soaps, not the other way around

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    Timmm replied

    Great post! Love Tom Jones!

    Rose replied

    Rebecca1…I think you’ve made some really eloquent comments on this story. The thing that bothers me most about a lot of comments on this and other stories is that there seems to be such animosity and lack of respect expressed about new/old and young/ old. We all want a successful GH. Maybe find a better middle ground, and listen and appreciate different opinions without taking it as an attack. GH has always been multi-generational and the characters all seemed to get along. I’d like to think touchy-touchy fans could do the same. :)

    su0000 replied

    rebecca1, gotta luv you!

    vinyl has never went totally away. The connoisseurs of music prefer the vinyl..
    What is done now..
    Downloading.. downloading your tunes to iPhone, put them on clouds in your playlists.. to be listened by all devices anywhere any time, TV, PC. Tablets, phones and so on, by a click.
    That is done world wide, the download of music..
    Most now do not even have a stack of CD’s, they are fading out too.
    It is a digital world ..
    ((I have umm 6 Cd’s, no stereo, and the best music via bluetooth to soundbar or PC hooked great speakers, and as low or loud as wanted in digital clean sound..))

    And for the millions who have never heard of nor seen Tony Bennet they will know Lady Gaga lol .. a good reach out to all, ad.

    And. many people text a ”thank you lol
    (people break up and are proposed to via text, sad but true)

    And if younger can’t watch it on their phones in 15 mins, they just skip onto the next whatever… Netflix binge watching is always a good downtime weekend..

    hey Timmm..
    ”’Tom Jones”
    I seen him in Vegas, he played our hotel..
    He was bad really bad!
    20 minutes of him was more than enough for a life time LOL ..

    LONG LIVE ALL THE SOAPS! they are sooooo loved !!

    rebecca1 replied

    Timmm…Tom Jones! Lol…so do I!

    rebecca1 replied

    Rose…thank you. Yes, I agree. The age issue comes up repeatedly on this site and it’s ridiculous. And as I wrote, it’d be great to have the vets along with the generations after them. But we need our vets back…

    It’s a handful of posters who confinually bring up age. As I’ve said before…they critique how a person dresses, how much sex and lust fhey feel is “appropriate,” or not, based on age…if the person should still have dreams and goals. While of course they’re referring to fictional characters, they’re still aiming their comments and opinions at that age group. Which means in REAL life people past 40 or 50 shouldn’t be crazy attracted to each other should wear turtle necks and give up their goals. Lol…and it’s repeated constantly! It’s simultaneously funny and sad. And maddening.

    Perhaps the writers can create The Middle Aged and The Rsstless. And then, hey…we can skip a stage and go straight to The Decrepit and The Restless. But enough of this…all this talk of age is making me… restless….

    CeeCee replied

    Thank you, me……..some people object to that. I love my soaps…..every genre. But, this is not the same world. I wish soaps could remain the same and forever. Time does march on, as you say, and we must follow the beat. This is exactly what su is trying to impart. Nonetheless both she and I get jumped for saying just what you said, in a different way…….or mention a word, a phrase that does not resonate….get my drift? You hardly ever post anymore, me. I wish you did; you are so en pointe when you write. I love that! Live and let live, I say, for Grinch sakes.

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  22. louisa says:

    Talk shows are over because they are now full of dumbed-down material, guests and games. Most of the audience is too smart for that. Many talk shows make you feel bad. Or stupid. Or both.

    A continuing story, serial drama, soap–whatever you want to call it –is more challenging to the mind, and if done well, makes you feel great. A show with compelling stories and characters, will bring the audience back day after day. Viewers will want to see what will happen, and return to that good feeling a familiar show can bring. Soaps are the ultimate in appointment-viewing TV.

    They need to create a new soap and promote it in a way that creates serious buzz. Make everybody want to watch it. It does not have to be about young people to get young people to watch. It just needs to be really good, so audiences of all ages will feel they have to get on board. Shows such as Homeland, Downton Abbey, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Empire, etc. don’t have a lot in common–except they all have compelling stories and characters that keep people watching–and talking.

    Personally, I just want to see One Life to Live back. But, a new soap can be a success if done right!

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    CeeCee replied

    You bet, Louisa. OLTL forever!!!!!
    Speaking of talk shows…uhmmmm, I know what you mean. I do not want to hear about the panel’s sex life or lack-thereof. I don’t care about those stupid references to ‘vibrators’ either. Too personal and too disgusting for public consumption. I used to love THE VIEW. Now, it has become a joke, with the revolving door, letting anyone join the panel at any given time. I suppose I like structure. THE TALK is made up of hypocrites, but I do like Julie and Sara, though.
    I enjoy THE View when politics are discussed or medical breakthroughs….I don’t care about the time and energy spent on the Kardashians’ gypsy lifestyle or the topsy-turvy crazy world of any reality TV. I love AMERICAN IDOL and THE VOICE and GAME SHOWS.

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  23. nicholas says:

    Great topic . This enables me to inform the fans in the United States that the soap ” Days of our lives ” is being cancelled for good in France . France 2 which runs the soap and ran it since september 2000 has decided to extend its morning talk show ” Telematin ” ( French equivalent of the Today show ) and of course the extension just happens to cover Days’s timeslot . Days had good ratings and in fact was winning its timeslot so it is just a cost saving decision . No need for the station to finance the dubbing in French , no more broadcasting / licence fees to be paid . ” Telematin ” being a homemade network based talk show France 2 gets all the profits . I hope this trend doesn’t start in the States . If they start cancelling soaps that have good ratings just to save money it could be the end of daytime drama . Days ran as a half-hour show in France ( each hour long episode was divided into 2 episodes ) . Back in September 2000 Days was already 2 years behind the States but due to the stupid half hour business the French are only now seeing episodes from january 2007 . The french met EJ for the first time only last Friday and guess what ? Days’s last episode screens at the end of this week . My point is that there is no respect for tv viewer worldwide and that the soaps are no being treated with the respect they deserve . The cancellation of All my children and One life to live still make viewers bloods boil . Replaced by food and talk shows and with that familiar tune of ” it costs less ” . Let’s start praying for our soaps !

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    kevin replied

    Cancel all the soaps, replace them with reality shows.

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    Darren replied

    Kevin have you lost your mind? lol. Reality shows suck. We need to support the remaining soaps.

  24. elm51 says:

    all i can say is “another one bites the dust”!!!!!!

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  25. Aria says:

    It’s scary it feels like daytime will become this dumping ground for talk shows or worst, informercials. I truly feel there is something that can be done and that half hour soaps could work but probably money is the biggest factor and till that’s not an issue then who knows what can happen .

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    CeeCee replied

    Yeah, a few of my aunts complain about getting their MTV back…..the way it used to be. It is truly unwatchable now. No music.
    So, I think, you are on the right track, Aria. TV will eventually become one big infomercial, cooking shows or annoying chatter.

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    su0000 replied

    Hi CeeCee,,
    I like ”catfish” on MTV..
    The New 24/7 (like old MTV but much better is now-
    – Palladia — (on cable)
    Shows the concerts and festivals from woodstock era to date.. And bios of bands etc.
    (at this moment it is- Pearl Jam, it’s twenty years… playing..
    (next up Smashing pumpkins then Dolly Parton and then Paul Mccartney Wings )

    CeeCee replied

    @su.
    That’s the point. I don’t know how MTV used to be in the 70′s and 80′s, but apparently it was continuous music videos. My aunt keeps talking about a Nina Blackwell or Blackwood and Martha Quinn. I never watch MTV. I just watch THE VIEW, my soaps, old game shows and a few recorded shows…..usually late at night, in bed with this guy next to me. Lol.
    I do love watching Woodstock clips. I love the music.
    Must look into it. Thanks, babes.

  26. Phil says:

    I don’t think we will ever see another soap on daytime network television. Would lover to see GL resurrected but very doubtful. Heck a new soap staring Kassie DePaiva would be cool too!

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    Phil replied

    Come to think of it GL on NBC would be outstanding. Number one it is where GL started in radio and number two DAYS/GL crossovers could be fun!

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    Torqumada replied

    I miss Springfield.

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    Timmm replied

    “Jesse’s Girl” rocked!

  27. Bella says:

    Why not try to get OLTL and/or Y&R on one of the other stations (WB, Fox, etc.)? I’ll never trust ABC/D again. I can’t imagine the actors from these 2 beloved soaps would trust them again, either.

    I miss the soap channel (Soapnet)!

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    su0000 replied

    ABC could not get rid of the 2 soaps after they were canceled not one, not one, network wanted them,, and now with low ratings and high cost no network will take them on..

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    Llanviewer717 replied

    I doubt seriously the alphabet network tried to sell AMC and OLTL. Both are their property and the alphabet people are known for not wanting to part with what is theirs.

  28. Bella says:

    Oops, I meant AMC, not Y&R.

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  29. Vicki says:

    So the rating are telling you something, NOBODY wants what you Are offering us in the programming . So when you start listening to the people who watch the soaps maybe you will bring them back. God knows it seems like you want them at night time so what is wrong with daytime soaps again. Listen to your viewers because they are NOT watching what you are offering. So you either want viewers or not, you are so.busy shoveling this poor programming down our throats just so you don’t have to admit YOU made a mistake. So bite the bullet and admit you screwed up and bring our soaps backs

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  30. mike says:

    The one soap that I think could make a comeback is Edge of Night. It was a mystery based show that could be made to appeal to male and female viewers.

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    Jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I miss E.O.N. and would love to see it return but it would be difficult to find a mystery writer as good as Henry Slezar-one could hope…i wouldnt mind a primetime version!!!

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    Lou Piikes replied

    I would give anything to to a reboot of Edge of Night. A new soap doesn’t have to be on 5 days a week. The networks can have a talk show or game show on for two days of the week and the other three days a soap. It would save the networks tons of money.

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    mgb357 replied

    the Edge of Night was always my favorite show..

    after it was cancelled by cbs it got picked up on anc and floundered in the daytime there…..

    some of the writers and actors moved over to oltl.. thats when i started to watch One Life….

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  31. sandie says:

    They should have NEVER messed with the soaps in the first place!!! All that is on now is crap! Put OLTL and AMC back on,,,they may be surprised by how many would love to have them back

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    su0000 replied

    ;; many ;; would not want them back, only their old fans would want them back, and many are long gone or aged..
    only low numbers of their fans are left to even tune in, not even nearly enough to invest in and they are not what the sponsors want (the young demo) anyways.

    In this day no executive/network would ever invest in daytime outdated soap operas that mainly older people watch (not of the prime demo), soaps are dinosaurs, and they will never invest in new soaps…
    I hate hate hate that, but is fact :( :( .

    daytime tv is going out, soon no doubt it will be all junk tv, reruns of inexpensive stuff and infomercials lol
    Best keep what we have left alive!!!!

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  32. Liz says:

    The thing that they forgot is that the soap fans were the loyal talk show viewers. Who do,you think helped Oprah skyrocket into fame? The soap fans, especially the OLTL & AMC fans are too angry with ABC to tolerate them spoon feeding us this drivel we are supposed to like and forget that they cancelled our shows.

    Well, I am probably the average demographic soap viewer. I’m 57 and well established with a lot of disposable income. The networks need me and those like me but are too stupid to realize. I despise being handled and told what I will like to watch. I won’t get over them cancelling my shows anytime in the near or distant future.

    I take my boycott to the next level and don’t watch ABC prime time either. I used to watch ABC almost exclusively from the eye opener to Jimmy Kimmell (when he was on AFTER Nightline).

    The idiots in power need to say that they know they made a huge mistake and will try to rectify it. I won’t hold my breath. Instead, it’s never mentioned. Like Kelly Ripa didn’t even mention David Canary’s passing on her show!! She tweeted about it but on her show????? NOTHING!!That was a calculated move and I’m sure she was told not to mention it because it might stir up the fan base. How disrespectful can ABC be?

    Like I said, I hate to be manipulated. It doesn’t work on me. ABC seems to be doing that a lot lately. “Varnishing” and spinning, ugh!

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    Llanviewer717 replied

    I understand how you fell Liz. I have not and will not watch anything aired on or produced by the alphabet network or the mouse company since the last day One Life to Live aired.

    Thank you for pointing out the fact that Kelly Ripa failed to acknowledge David Canary’s passing on her show. It would not surprise me one bit if TPTB instructed her not to say anything. After the millions and millions of dollars David Canary helped generate for the alphabet network, that omission is beyond disrespectful. It is completely heartless.

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    Timmm replied

    Kelly is a network puppet! RIP David.

    CeeCee replied

    Oh, Wow! She did? I don’t watch TV that early in the morning, so I missed that. Golly, David played Kelly’s father forever. How could she have not mentioned his passing? That is just so weird, rude and insensitive.

  33. nicholas says:

    I would give anything to see the soaps ” Santa Barbara ” , ” Guiding light ” , ” Another World ” be revived with brand new episodes but 5 days a week and indeed in a half hour format . I miss these soaps so much . It took me years to get over the losses of ” Santa Barbara ” and ” Another World ” . Cruz and Eden , Mason and Julia , Keith and Gina , Lionel and Augusta , Kelly , Ted , CC , Sophia … Josh and Reva , Blake and Ross , Maureen and Ed , Beth and Phillip , Alan , Lillian , Harley etc … Felicia and Cass , Wallingford , Mac and Rachel , Amanda , Matthew , Vicky and Marley , Sharlene and John …. These soaps , these characters and stories are still so vivid in my mind and will forever be in my mind and heart . I want them back on the air !! You are wrong Brian Frons ! Viewers don’t want talk and stupid reality shows , they want fantasy , dream , humanity , love , entertainment , they want for a few hours a day to escape life and the struggles that go with living that life ! Is it too much to ask to respect the soap viewer and deliver to that audience ?

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  34. Yolanda Arias-Arenas says:

    Soap operas were always known for pushing the envelope but it seems like they didn’t keep up with the times. If TV execs think we want more talk shows, they’re insane. They can figure out a way to make soaps popular again and get back all the viewers they lost and then some.

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    su0000 replied

    Soaps are daytime tv.. no younger peoples are home to watch. And wouldn’t spend 3 months trying to involved in them, not gonna happen..
    Soaps are for and of the older demo that sponsors do not want.
    When these 4 are gone that will be it, gone forever.

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    KM replied

    You have to keep in mind that the days when soaps were considered to push the envelope were also the days when there were a very limited number of channels available and most primetime shows were wholesome family fare. Topical stories like AMC’s Erica Kane having the first abortion on TV was a story that you’d never see in primetime and so was groundbreaking for the time but I don’t know what kind of story a soap could tell today that isn’t already being told by other network and cable shows and is often told better because those other shows can tell those stories without the burden of having to pull every punch to protect and prop “fan favorite” characters who emerge from every situation unscathed.

    There’s no real drama in soaps anymore because of this mentality. No fan favorite is ever really dead, no deadly disease is ever really fatal. No serious injury that results in paralysis or a coma is ever permanent. Everything is written for the dramatic impact of the moment in the belief that it can just be unwritten with the stroke of the pen.

    I think this sort of writing is what has really killed soaps much more so than not keeping up with the times. Fans have gotten tired of knowing nothing permanent will ever really happen so they drift away.

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  35. William says:

    I think CBS has the perfect format for the modern time two game shows two soaps and a talk show. ABC would do well to create a 30 minute new soap that melds OLTL into AMC sort of how Loving turned into The City. Then do a half hour new or revived game show. They would then have The View, new AMC/OLTL, new game show, The Chew and cap off with GH. That would give them a nice full daytime block to work with. And build upon what people loved from the network.

    NBC would need the most help but keeping Days and the Kathy Lee and Hoda hour of Today (rebranded into its own show and not as part of today for ease of DVRing and moving around for other markets) they would then need a new Edge of Night style program. Something with a base of stable characters and an ever revolving plot line and guest cast. Going towards a good fusion of classic soap opera with modern telenovela mechanics and some Law and Order theming. Then a classic quiz show like 21. NBC would have KL&H followed by a the game show, the new EON style procedural soap and then Days of Our Lives and if need be for the network throw in AHLive after KL&H.

    The issue is a lack of commitment on the part of networks to ride out the bad time. Someone needs to remind nbc that if they had given up on friends right away they would have missed one of their biggest hit programs. But daytime needs a strong block of NETWORK programming. The days of talk shows are coming to an end. But if each network could rally itself to create a self owned block of daytime viewing I think it could bring back lapse viewers. I know many people that left daytime because shows were being cancelled and they just gave up due to lack of stability. A clear direction and network backing could change the landscape of daytime.

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    Lou Piikes replied

    What do you mean by AH live?

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    William replied

    Access Hollywood Live.

  36. Cathy says:

    GH had a great lead in the Chew and it still failed. Yes the Chew had and has better ratings than GH and even propped GH with GH actora appearing on the Chew. How about GH being good enough to stand on it’s own without needing help. GH is terrible under this regime. Scrubs are leaving and they are still using Robin to prop Liz, Sam and Jason instead of giving her more airtime for herself and SCRUBS. Robin shoukd have told many people off including her mother, husband and people like Liz and Sam instead of thanking them.

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  37. james r says:

    I think ABC needs to bring back One Life to Live in place of. The horrible Fab. Life. I also think that. The. View needs to end andmove the Chew to that timeslot and bring back
    All my Children. The network needs to admit their mistake. Everything excewpt. The
    Chew has failed.

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  38. Mary SF says:

    The sad reality is broadcast television as we know it is dying out and is being replaced by streaming services such as Netflix and the like. This is where the money and talent is going which is why these services are offering better fare than network. And since streaming allows viewers to watch when they want to watch the old boundaries that existed between daytime and prime time are going the way of dodo bird. So no network is going to invest the time, money or talent into creating a new daytime soap. But steaming does lend itself to the telenovella type of soap that has a limited number of episodes, which is I see will be the future of soaps. But sadly the daily show airing at the same time and place is on it’s way out.

    However in the meanwhile it would be an interesting experiment if one network would run classic encore presentations of previous daytime dramas that used to be on to see if those shows could garner better ratings than another new, but lame talk show.

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    su0000 replied

    hi Mary SF..
    I doubt that will happen.. it would have a very small audience.
    only the long time soap fans would watch and not all of them except from that era, for sure.
    They will not invest in what older, not of the coveted demo, people would watch.
    No younger people will tune in to watch, not going to happen.
    Their soaps, now called series are on cable and Netflix and absolutely nothing like PG daytime.

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  39. james r says:

    Did I hear correctly that the rights to One Life and AMC go back. To ABC if
    Prospect fails??

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    su0000 replied

    AMC and OLTL are leased and in possession of of Prospect Park for 10 years since 2012.. unless that has changed I have heard of no change and ABC will not get them back until 2022 LOL .. something as that.

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  40. dolores says:

    I agree with Liz and Trophy Lady completely – of course we need a GOOD lead in for GH and bringing back OLTL & AMC would be it – but NOT with the newER writers that took over on HULU – there were tremendous storylines yet to be unfolded with actors that knew their craft – bring them back, give them classic storylines and watch the viewers come back! GH is great right there…supporting them all the way! I watch no talk shows – opinions being rattled all day long – read the papers instead of listening to people just go on and on and go home with a paycheck to say what they say! Let’s have some fantasy again!

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  41. Jp says:

    Bring back one life to live and amc in a half hour format each. Just admit you made a mistake abc and you ll get back some of those viewers who left your network when you cancelled these iconic shows.

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  42. Michael says:

    After so many mistakes it’s a bit surprising that ABC doesn’t understand the incredible ratings bonanza they could have with a well produced, well written, highly publicized return of One Life and All My Kids. Soaps are an art form that needs to be preserved.

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  43. CeeCee says:

    How dare you call a spade a spade, Suzie Q? LOL. They are old, you are not saying anything untrue, su. I know what you mean. And, I do agree on many of your points. But, young or old, romance never gets old, and a good writer knows that.

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  44. nicholas says:

    I would watch revived versions of Santa Barbara , Guiding light and Another World but only if the standard and quality is there . No point in bringing back a show if the quality isn’t there . If the networks can’t revive these soaps why not rerun a few episodes of them over the summer holidays or something . Rather watch a good soap than a stupid info/ talk or reality show . Can’t believe the networks are letting the soap industry die !! I had no idea only 4 soaps remain on air at present .

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  45. Lesley says:

    England has a soap called Coronation Street that has been around for 50 yrs. Maybe import this show or a soap opera from Australia? It has to be cheaper than producing a new soap. PS I refuse to watch The Chew because it took the place of my soaps.

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    Helen replied

    I love the chew, AMC deserved to get cancelled. the ratings fell and the storylines were terrible. OLTL willcome back to ABC, its a matter of time. I know some scoop about Brian Frons, and its not pretty.

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    CeeCee replied

    You really think so, Helen? OLTL will come back? Be still my heart!!

    Josh replied

    Brian Frons needs to whipped, and locked in a jail cell. I hate the man for cancelling AMC AND OLTL. Bad karma is coming to this idiot.

    Jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I love Coronation Street…it currently my favorite series…some may not understand the accent…i rarely have a problem with that…their realistic stories center around the middle class working families dealing with issues we can all identify with, children age at a more normal rate and the dead usually stay dead…the vets get front and center treatment even if not their storyline…but in England even their soap viewership is down-still wish it could be aired on one of the three networks!!!

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    jimbo replied

    miss OLTL like hell. in the meantime I found CORONATION STREET. agree — it takes me about 10 minutes to adjust my ear to the accent, but they’ve got great storylines. and they toss in great brit talk (“gobsmacked” and “hoover the carpet.”) hulu has several years’ worth for free. I binge-watch them about five at a time.

    nicholas replied

    I know that they tried with Neighbours but it was a flop in the states . Home and Away and Neighbours both flopped in France

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  46. Timmm says:

    Meredith is a nice lady. She is a lady you can sit down with and carry a conversation. Oprah was an institution! What she said was law. She could make dreams come true and attract top celebrities. Before her it was Phil Donahue. I loved him. His show was usually more serious but he would throw you for a loop every so often and do a pop culture show. These two shows were MUST SEE. What is anymore? The Kardashians? [Hurry, get me a bucket!] Talk shows are dead! Everything we need to know is one TWEET away! So what do you do if your ABC? Infomercials or “Home Improvement” reruns? We want a soap. Here are two options:

    One: A new soap. Gear it to the 18-29 age bracket. A lot of young actors and social media plays a heavy role!

    Two: “One Life with All my Children.” Settle the lawsuit and combine the two former soaps. Use the best stories and actors from the past two shows. And before you complain about each shows history, its better than nothing and we get to see some of our favorites from BOTH shows return!

    Yes either of these ideas would be more expensive than maybe Kylie Jenner trying on lip balm BUT I am sure OLTL and AMC fans would support a new soap before another blah, blah blah!

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  47. lou piikes says:

    The network won’t invest in another daytime soap because they don’t make money. Teens and young adults of today didn’t grow up watching soap operas. There parents worked and didn’t pass on this tradition. The networks will have to repackage daytime serials to fit today’s audience.

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    Kaylie15 replied

    Exactly! There are new soaps, but they are web series. Young people want to watch what they want when they want it. There are more scripted TV shows than ever before, and people don’t want to wait. American soaps didn’t keep up with technology and make their content averrable on streaming, so users pirated scenes on youtube killing viewership.

    If people love characters and a story, they will run to youtube from school or offices on their phones or desktops. Nobody is going to wait until they get home anymore because they don’t have to. In the UK, soaps are still popular but they make the content available online right as it broadcasts.

    My 70 year old mom has a Roku. She stopped watching soaps because she can get the Big Bang Theory whenever she wants. She likes to laugh, and she loves those characters.

    I have no idea what can fill network space and draw viewers during the day, but I know that serial dramas will thrive on youtube and vimeo and of the networks were smart – they’d cultivate that audience and a new generation of writers that can create characters and stories audiences love. The people who produce soaps know how to produce content quickly, on a budget and its not stuff that needs to be seen on a big screen. That could be a goldmine, but they are clinging to an outdated business model. It’s not Daytime or Primetime anymore, it’s anytime.

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    Tim Welles replied

    I understand what you are saying Kaylie15 and I was one of those who subscribed to HULU (which I watch on a Roku Device) so that I could follow ALL MY CHILDREN and OLTL in their on-line inceptions. Unfortunately, due to the mismanagement of Prospect Park or for what ever reason, the shows did not do well presented in this manner.
    I do watch Days of Our Lives but I watch it on the NBC App – through a Roku device. So, yes, viewing habits have changed and I wish that these two shows would have thrived because it might have encouraged more on-line soaps to do the same.

    KM replied

    The ABC pretty much tried repackaging in the late 90s with the GH spinoff Port Charles. It still had enough familiarity (in theory at least) to appeal to core GH fans but was also designed to appeal to a younger audience who didn’t need 20 years of history with the show to make the characters and storylines accessible to new fans. It floundered until they bought a couple more years copying Passions witches and vampires camp in the vein of the old Dark Shadows which attracted a cult following for a while but all three soaps only lasted maybe 5 years.

    Then ABC tried again with the limited run soap Nightshift on their Soapnet cable channel. Again, limited success but not enough to be profitable for their cable channel let alone as a network show.

    Soaps are still out there in various forms just not in the 5 days per week/52 weeks per year format we think of as classic soaps and there’s a reason none of the major networks have attempted to launch a new one in over 15 years.

    As Oprah said, if there was money to be made on ABC’s cancelled soaps, someone would be making it. Prospect Park didn’t even banking on an existing and supposedly staunchly loyal pre-existing audience of over 2 million per show and when Oprah did agree to run the shows on her OWN she had no better luck than PP.

    I’d love to see my old favorites back as much as the next person but I just can’t see ABC or CBS/P&G spending the money to try to revive something they threw away years ago.

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    Lou Piikes replied

    OLTL and AMC were really popular on Hulu and itunes. The problem was ad revenue from Hulu wasn’t enough to keep production afloat. On top of that PP had to pay ABC/D royalty fees. If PP would have charged a subscription fee on their TOLN network, I think both AMC and OLTL both productions would be online today.

  48. sarah says:

    I honestly feel like ( I might be naive to say this so call me out if I am) if one of the networks invested in a new soap that the loyal viewers of the other four soaps would definitely all invest time into watching it especially if it was very well done with both writing & acting, ect. Soap opera still work & they can work so well. Yes ratings are down from its heyday but all ratings are down & yes soaps are more expensive but when they are done well they definitely succeed. It really is just a matter of having an amazing line up for daytime programming, invest in advertisement & a full-time publicist & having some damn good story telling on the soap its self. So revive an old soap or start from complete scratch. Also a half an hour format soap would be great to sell overseas as well, there is a huge reason B&B is so successful around the world, like B&B could legit go in minus with the ratings & still stay on there air.

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    su0000 replied

    hi sarah,
    A thought-
    Many watch 2, 3, 4, soaps now.
    How on earth could they squeeze another into the list.. That would be 5 hours of soaps watching, daily.
    I watch 2 soaps, and I gotta say- its all I have time for.. I could never handle another one lol .. I watch online and that really scoots the time way down, for both.

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    sarah replied

    thats why the half hour format would work so well because most people DVR these days or watch it on POP if they miss it. A half hour soap runs between 17-19 minutes without commercials. At the moment I do watch B&B & GH so I would certainly have to time to pick up 1 more soap if it was in the half-hour format yes not everyone is going to want to ad another soap to their line especially if they are currently watching all four soaps but I could easily see people who are passionate about the soap opera genre definitely investing the time if they can in watching.

  49. Timmm says:

    Thats the nail on the head lou, IF there was money to be made, there would be 10 daytime soaps on the air today!

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  50. Omar says:

    Bring back OLTL and AMC..Both 30 minutes show with smaller casts , crew and sets: hence, money saved!
    I bet the ratings for that hour will go way up than any other lifestyle/talk show ..A bit more money, but more viewers = more ad revenue for the network! We are a loyal core fan base.

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    Lou Piikes replied

    Both OLTL and AMC trend older. In order to attract the 18-34 ABC/D would need a name change, revamp the shows to appeal to today’s audience. Young folks won’t sit down and watch a show five days a week.

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  51. su0000 says:

    Bottom line;
    The soaps will not survive on daytime TV ..
    Daytime is junk TV and the soaps need to go cable..

    ok– 3 of the 4 soaps are on POP/cable during the evening, but not GH..
    GH is the only soap left totally on daytime..

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  52. Mo says:

    Instead of a new soap, how about taking the money they would have spent on this show and giving it to Days so they can get some decent sets? The Dimeras need a place other than that stupid study. With all the deaths, they need a church set. It looks like Brady and Theresa are sharing John and Marlena’s set. It’s winter now–stop having everyone meet outside. Give some money to Days.

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    4ever DAYS replied

    It should look that way, Mo. Brady and Theresa are neighbors of John and Marlena.

    In recent months DAYS has brought back the pier, Bo and Hope’s house, John and Marlena’s townhouse and Victor’s larger scale entry way and living room. The Brady Pub is also seen in full. Plus, Steve and Kayla have a house!

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  53. mgb357 says:

    Repeats of OLTL would make better ratings

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  54. dolce says:

    In answer to your question YES YES AND YES!!
    Loved All My Children and One Life to Live.

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  55. Ghlover says:

    Loving could come back, it was mentionned on GH in recent years and it has a very macabre background that could be the base of a very interesting new soap! A whole family was murdered by the town’s matriach … The new generation could want to revisit the abandoned Alden mansion… Maybe the hous is haunted.. Hmmm a would watch for sure!! Plus it could bring Noelle Beck back to daytime

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  56. mgb357 says:

    i have said many times…

    soap fans would love to watch repeats from the golden age…

    70′s amc, 80′s general hospital and oltl…

    why not try that instead of stupid pitiful talk shows that do NOT reflect america…

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    4ever DAYS replied

    Days of our Lives is the only soap of that era to have saved every single episode. All the other soaps thought themselves as substandard:

    DAYS was worth saving then and is worth saving now and…4ever!

    Though most soap operas transitioned from live broadcast to videotaping their shows during the 1960s, it was still common practice to wipe and reuse the tapes. This practice was due to the high cost of videotape at the time. While soap operas began routinely saving their episodes between 1976 and 1979, several soaps have saved recordings of most or all their episodes. Days of Our Lives has recordings of all its episodes. The first two episodes of Days of our Lives exist on their original master tapes, and were aired by SOAPnet in 2005. The Young and the Restless, Dark Shadows and Ryan’s Hope saved most of their episodes despite the fact that they debuted during the 1960s and 1970s, before retaining tapes became common practice. Episodes of The Doctors began to be saved no later than December 4, 1967; this is where reruns of the series began when picked up by Retro Television Network in September 2014. Episodes of other soaps broadcast during the 1950s to 1970s do exist in different forms and have been showcased in various places online.

    Procter and Gamble started saving their shows around 1979. Very few pre-1979 color episodes of the Procter and Gamble-sponsored shows survive, with most extant episodes preserved as monochrome kinescopes. Exceptions include two episodes of The Guiding Light (1973 and 1977), which have been released on DVD. As the World Turns and The Edge of Night aired live until 1975, the year The Edge of Night moved to ABC and As the World Turns expanded from a 30-minute broadcast to one hour. Both shows began taping episodes in preparation for the move of The Edge of Night to ABC. The Edge of Night’s ABC debut is believed to have survived. Overall, the number of surviving monochrome episodes recorded on kinescope outnumber color episodes for these programs.

    Agnes Nixon initially produced her series One Life to Live and All My Children through her own production company, Creative Horizons, Inc., and kept a complete archive of monochrome kinescopes until ABC bought the shows from her in 1975. When the network wanted to expand All My Children from 30 minutes to a full hour in the late 1970s, Nixon agreed on the condition that the network would begin saving the episodes. ABC complied, and full hour broadcasts began on April 25, 1977. However, a fire destroyed the vast majority of the early-1970s kinescopes, leaving only a few random episodes from each season.

    Virtually all episodes of General Hospital, from its premiere in April 1963 through August 1970, are archived at UCLA. The UCLA Film & Television Archive holds a large number of daytime television airings that were spared from the wiping practice. Also archived there are handfuls of episodes of each soap opera that was on the air from 1971 and 1973, including A World Apart, Where the Heart Is, and Return to Peyton Place.

    DAYS didn’t destroy any of it’s almost 13,000 episodes…a library I would work at for free!!!!!

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    4ever DAYS replied

    *Agnes Nixon cared, but ABC was careless.

    su0000 replied

    Because it would be only soap fans mainly from that era which be an audience of senior citizens and upward, and that is not nowhere enough viewers to invest in especially in that age demo.
    It could not would not make money for the company/network.
    It be a very small select audience..

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  57. Mo says:

    With the Internet, people can get their celebrity news immediately and online so they don’t need to watch talk show appearances. Even when I’m home, I don’t watch talk shows.

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  58. Bil Thompson says:

    I would LOVE to see a combination of ALL MY CHILDREN with One Life to Live, bringing back some of the familiar faces sprinkled in with some new ones.
    But, what no one seems to know, is WHO currently owns the rights to these two
    classic shows? Furthermore, doesn’t anyone find it odd that creator Agnes Nixon hasn’t ever commented on the future of the residents of both Pine Valley and
    Landview?

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  59. Rapids says:

    Soap fans are very lucky to have any daytime drama. Millions and millions quit watching more than twenty years ago and one by one shows were canceled. The typical viewer is old and poor, advertisers do not care for them.
    Talk shows come and go, they are inexpensive to produce and if one fails another one will take its place.
    Networks also have huge vaults full of nighttime drama and comedy shows, I look for more of these to be rerun during daytime hours.

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    Lou Piikes replied

    Maybe the networks can stream old episodes online with a paid subscription service. But I doubt if fans are willing to pay at least $8 a month for the service. Most of them want everything for free. Or they don’t want to watch soaps on a computer. They act like they never heard of a Roku or Smart TV.

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  60. mgb357 says:

    soap fans have proven loyalty… and will stick with the show thru thick and thin.
    if only the networks would re-discover the genre, it would make for much more interesting tv..

    hints..

    1. make them relevant
    2. make use of camera techniques – including selfies and snapchats..
    3. film them in ‘real time’ and never far in advance… and even let the actors come up with the plots..
    4. find a location near New York- easily accessible – to set the series, so they do not have the high rental fees and expenses.

    Come on network execs.. figure it out.

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  61. xmascarol says:

    I would like a new soap.I use to love Passions never missed an episode now Days has two of that shows stars on it Rafe and Brady.For awhile it also had Lindsay Hartley on to.Never could figure out why she got fired in the first place. Now one of my favorite soaps was from way back when Dark Shadows how about a horror soap or something with a lot of action.I am not one for talk shows I think they are boring and a waste of time.. There are way to many of them on now.

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  62. Robbie McDaniel-Estep says:

    I am an aspiring writer and would love to get my foot in the door. I’d be willing to try any advice if it would help me. I have been a lifelong soap fan and am in the Bell’s age group. I think we do need more soaps and I really wish they’d bring some back. Like As the World Turns and One Life To live. When Search For Tomorrow left a great ending to bring back. I also loved Dark Shadows. I am tired of Talk and Cooking shows. Mr. Fairman count me in, in anyway you can. Let’s save our Soaps and create more.

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