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120 September 2nd, 2014 GENERAL HOSPITAL: Ava and Nina Come Face to Face! Maura West & Michelle Stafford Make The Clash Must-See TV!

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For those who have been anxiously awaiting the first encounter between Daytime Emmy winning powerhouses, Maura West (Ava) and Michelle Stafford (Nina) in their roles as Ava Jerome and Nina Clay on General Hospital, today’s episode of the ABC soap opera held the long-awaited moment!

The set-up has Ava run into a “wheelchair” bound Nina, which sets up the repartee and the realization for Ava that this is Nina Clay who she is chatting with.   Nina lays into Ava about the photos of her having sex with her husband Silas (Michael Easton), and then becoming pregnant with his child, Kiki (Kristen Alderson)!  Ava then offers her brand of an apology for her actions many years ago, and as more verbal blows and insults are hurled at one another, Nina brings up Ava’s current paternity pickle, and then goes into her baby obsession mode, and even puts her hand on Ava’s tummy, much to the dismay of Ava.  And that is just a few of the highlights of their clash!

Kudos to the incredible Maura West and Michelle Stafford!  Having those two in a scene where they play mortal enemies was simply soap heaven for many a soap fan! And major kudos to the GH writing team for the snappy, treacherous, yet at times humorous dialog fit for these two talents to play.

Watch the clips of Ava and Nina coming face to face after the jump! Then let us know what you thought of the first on-screen scenes shared by Maura West and Michelle Stafford on GH!

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  1. Tsuds says:

    great show today.. Action packed! Best Daytime Soap on TV!!!

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    su0000 replied

    wow!

    GH is explosive!

    TNT //// DYNAMITE <– AVA //// NINA !!

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    suOOOO had to reply here:YOUR WRONG!!! Ava will not loose the baby…Nina plans to kidnap the child and pass him or her off as her own…even if Ava’s already been preggers for several months Nina WILL work it out and pass off the child as hers and Silas’s!!!

    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Kiki is Nina’s…lol

  2. CeeCee says:

    I actually expected the confrontation to be more explosive. But, Nina’s calm demeanor and subtlety spoke volumes. Well done, Ladies. I mentioned on an earlier post that it seemed as though Nina made icy cold references to Kiki. I felt the undercurrent….and, I think so did Ava. It was all so creepy…Michelle brought that scene home, ….they were both good…well executed…..WOW !!! This is the first step towards ” un fait-accompli”, in Nina’s revenge-seeking mind.

    I must also add that all you women out there know how awkward it is when a stranger touches your pregnant belly. Why do people do that? Complete strangers in stores etc. would do that to me. Creepy ! So, Ava did such a great job of showing her discomfort and disdain that I relived the moment..lol

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    Rose replied

    I agree. Great acting because it was subtle. It really left a chill in the air as to where these two ladies will take their plans.

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Me thinks Nina will have Rosalee kidnap Ava’s baby from the hospital after its born for revenge…Madelyn may have (or have not…Kiki will eventually be revealed as Ninas child like i said many threads ago?) caused Nina to loose her baby but Nina will blame Ava for setting everything in motion…and now that Sabrina believes Ava is behind the car accident that caused Sab to loose her baby, Sabrina will be mistaken for Rosalee by a witness paid by Nina and Sab will be accused of stealing Ava’s baby and hiding the child somewhere…Ava will put a hit out on Sabrina but she will be protected by Sonny once he learns she is his daughter…well, it all could happen?…lol

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Back in the mid 70s to early 80s, my late mother was stopped in stores by strangers( on 5 different occasions over those years mentioned) and asked when is her due date…my mother was obviously annoyed by the question but she remained polite and replied, “I’m not pregnant! I’m just FAT!”…lol…she did have weight problems in that area…lol…then when we were in the car she’d joke about it, saying something like ‘if she was pregnant it would be a lot longer than some of the soap opera pregnancies she had been watching lately’…i think one was like ten to twelve months before the character went into labor!…lol

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    dmr replied

    That’s what I think makes Nina so creepy, that she is able to remain calm while being ice cold. I’m hoping Nina will “off” Kiki. No further explanation needed. I can’t stand Kiki. Waste of air-time. The character brings no purpose or value to the show.

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Forgot to add: i like to think that if Kiki is Nina’s but Silas isnt the father…i like to believe Nina was desperate for a child so she could hold onto Silas…but Silas was having some difficulty in the sack…afraid she would loose him, Nina had herself artificially inseminated with an unknown donor who eventually turns out to be Franco!!!

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    su0000 replied

    Sorry ..
    You are all wrong..
    Ava will lose the baby, it will not be born, thanks to Nina..
    Nina will drug ava as her mother drugged her and therefore she will lose the baby..
    Kiki is not Nina’s baby … that will not be ..

    anything concerning Nina’s baby, will have to do with Madalin, Nina’s mother who most likely will have the now 23yr old boy/girl ..

    Patrick replied

    @SuOOOO

    say it isn’t so…. I’d cry tears of a river and then

    if Ava lost her “child”

    thanks for the drama tho

    it does entice

    there will be a way for these two women of magnitude to persevere

    and get their own… and dalliance forward

    to steer Kiki .. god knows why… but… it’ll help Nina big time
    and Ava… will render humane motherly… and I’ll cry a river

    and it’ll be a standstill of magnitude proportions

    Nina : Ava : Skye : I wish the latter

    ALL combustion

    Patrick replied

    @cee cee

    your 2nd para : spot on

    I can’t imagine… the awkward… near volatile… a motherly protection… unwarranted

    unheeded… danged right…

    it’s my child

    grrrr

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Foolish Nina…wants a baby and revenge against Ava…she’ll get both by stealing Ava’s baby…but Ava will sort of get the last laugh…with help from Madeline, Ava has taken Nina’s thought dead daughter Kiki and raised her as her own…when Nina learns the truth she wont mind at all…Nina doesnt want boring, annoying Kiki and tells Ava she can keep her…guess Nina is the one who will actually have the last laugh…lol

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    CeeCee replied

    Hmmm; I don’t know about that Jimh. You don’t think Nina’s maternal instincts will kick in? Hard to believe since we have seen a softer side of her when talking about babies. Then again, she’s nuts, so she’s hard to read since her moods change with the wind. And, I suppose there are many mothers who feel no love for their child…stone cold . We will see if Nina is indeed a sociopath.

    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I actually really think Nina will accept Kiki as her daughter and poison Kiki’s mind against Ava but Ava truly loves Kiki and will be devasted…but all that will be revealed after Nina has Rosalee kidnap Ava’s baby or she’ll have someone kidnap Ava until the baby is born and then steal the baby? Maybe with Franco’s help?

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  3. Mark says:

    Michelle stafford is so talented it’s like she is on the verge of hysteria. Love her! Maura west is not my cup of tea but she is ok.

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    Timmm replied

    I agree with you Mark.

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    harry replied

    Mark: I watched for about 5 minutes today. Nina is Phyllis–I am starting to see Michelle Stafford as a one note actress.
    But Maura West? I am finally understanding why so many laud her acting prowess. I only saw a small scene involving a small character, that would be Sappy. Maura pretty much chewed Sappy up and then spit her up. Then Ava motioned her head to signal to her bodyguards that they needed to exit. Okay, I get it, Maura West is damned talented. I think I could grow to love her and wanted more. Give this woman some good story–she deserves it.
    The actress who plays Sparkle Pony is doing odd things–she squints and nods her head around in an awkward manner which bears no accordance to the scene being played,
    Listen up, you Pollyanna People who want to scream at us Negative Nellys–I wanted to want to watch GH today but the writing was so damned poor I turned it off. I have been addicted to GH for about 35 years now and for me to snap it off after five minutes of watching speaks volumes about how bad it has gotten.
    I worked at Macys while an undergraduate and snuck up to the television floor many a time to watch Laura’s return from the dead, Robert and Luke saving the day and really, just to watch friends and siblings converse about their lives. Yes, GH almost got me fired–that is how good it was. If a life long soap addict like me can be cured from watching a beloved soap then someone needs to take notice.

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    Elizabeth replied

    Many, many posters on multiple other message boards are right there with you. The Nina show is getting massive complaints. Of course that won’t lead to changes because of the contract that was signed, but it isn’t doing much for the ratings at least if the third week in August (loss of 99,000 viewers in one week) is any indication. As a former GH fan I have all but stopped watching over the last few weeks and am much more interested in my first soap interest, DOOL. MUCH better writing, pacing, romantic elements, story interconnections, the whole ball of wax is just superior to the outlandish cartoon that now plays on ABC at 2pm.

    sandra replied

    I agree Maura West makes this show. She is the female Trevor St. John. Amazing actors. I have just started watching GH because all my soaps are off the air. Whereas I love the writing and twist and turns( best writing in daytime of all soaps) I have to say GH has too many murderers. Sonny really needs to serve some time in jail for once. Let him play his part from inside a jail cell. Also, there is no stable ,sane, port in the storm,anchor family. GH should add a family like this just to add some balance. I ‘m really starting to get weary from all the crooks,cheaters,murderers, whores, liars,and backstabbers. Add some balance,please

    Shay replied

    Harry….Can we talk???? (Wink and a teardrop…..) Why is it that you and I seem to be the only ones who notice these highly bizarre acting choices (or involuntary tics….take your pick….) of “Snippy the Avenging Stalker?” I’ve never understood the “SP’s” strange dramatic affectations from Day One, and since then they’ve only served to exponentially increase in usage and annoyance. Added to the neophyte nurse’s newly-adopted attitude as a gobby upstart, they make this already insufferable and insipid creature even more unbearable. As if these flummoxing flourishes are going to turn her into daytime’s answer to Revenge’s Emily Thorne! First of all, she has neither the gutsy gumption nor especially the smirks and smarts of our Ems, while her BFF Felix certainly is no Nolan!!!! Not only is he lacking the cunning cleverness and cheeky charisma of the fabulously flamboyant Mr. Ross, but the formidable fashion sense, as well!!!! And even “Mafia Princess” Ava—-an obviously totally out-of-her-league opponent for that snitty little twit—is not quite in the same vaunted and viciously vindictive territory as “Queen of Mean” Victoria!!!!

  4. Mike says:

    Nina wants a baby. Maybe she’ll help herself to Ava’s.

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    Fanny replied

    Mike ,UR so right.

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  5. su0000 says:

    Ohh my gawd!!
    Emmy winning powerhouses, Maura West (Ava) and Michelle Stafford!!
    It doesn’t get any better then the 2 Queens of Awesome facing off!!
    EXCITING!!!!
    Thank you Soap Gawds for sending Maura West (Ava) and Michelle Stafford(Nina) and Billy Miller(Jason) to General Hospital !!!!!

    GH is by far the #1 soap …… to hell with numbers :)

    (also– waiting for Billy Miller to intrigue us all!! (and he will!

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    Timmm replied

    To think, all three used to be on Y&R! Thank you Y&R!

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    Patrick replied

    LOL

    to hell with numbers

    Days should be celebrated too

    I’ll champagne GH

    w/DAYS

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    dmr replied

    I absolutely loved the calm, yet quietly explosive scenes between Maura West and Michelle Stafford. I absolutely adore Maura as Ava. Michelle, I’ve had to warm up to. I think that Nina’s and Silas’ scenes come off as awkward. However, Michelle was incredible during her scenes with Maura. I love how she can be creepy and secretive while keeping her cool. One thing, can we please just write-off the character of Kiki Jerome. The character is useless. No job. No skills. She’s a mooch. Not to mention, she’s put into randomn scenes and she is just annoying. Whenever she told Silas, “I’d be remiss…” (about Nina and Silas) I laughed so hard. I doubt the dumb character knows what that statement even means. Such a waste of air-time.

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  6. Phil says:

    Michelle did great. ..I actually enjoyed her for a change…I still get the feeling that Kiki is actually Nina’s daughter!

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  7. jimh(leave it to beaver) says:

    That confrontation scene between Ava and Nina was a better GH moment…need more of that…i also expected a more explosive moment…like the one on Dark Shadows between Angelique and Laura during the 1897 storyline which was my all time favorite confrontation moment between two of my all time favorite villianeses…GH was still good!!!

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    aria replied

    1897 ? omg are you comparing and old show no longer on the air to a current scene? most of us are not 100 yo .

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    You dont have to be 100, Aria…DS has been repeated, available on vhs and dvd, and on youtube so even a 2 year old couldv’e have seen it…lol…the show originally aired in the 1960s and did a time travel set in 1897 and followed the lives of the Collins family ancestors…Angelique and Laura were enemies and had very well written confrontation scene…i wont go into details but it…imo…was one of the best moments in the history of the show…GHs scene between Ava and Nina was very entertaining moment which reminded me of past confrontation scenes of other soaps…wasnt necessarily a comparison…just commenting on one of my favorite daytime moments past and present!!!

  8. Daisy says:

    Wonderful scene! Wonderful actresses!

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    Patrick replied

    A celebratory moment

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  9. Shay says:

    Well, Cartini has managed to do the absolutely unthinkable for me….make me root for Ava! Since her debut on the show, I have been wholly unimpressed with this brazen hussy of a hit woman…her aggressively declasse’ antics and appallingly gleeful appetite for violence just left me cold, although that is not to say that MW did not display a certain aptitude for portraying this treacherous, blood-thirsty tramp…..she simply was not to my taste for a leading lady to view on a near-daily basis. But all that changed yesterday with the foreshadowed challenges Ms. Jerome is obviously going to be battling in the foreseeable future. First, we had her coming face-to-face with that newly avenging airhead with a prickly attitude, Snippy (formerly known as Sappy…..) who now that the bloom has finally fallen off her rose, is a disheveled mess of a miss h#!!-bent on making the person she thinks robbed her of her road kill runt pay in spades. (AS IF she has the stuff to take down an old pro like the “Av-ster!” Oh spare me! Just because your fairytale, meal ticket and last best chance to establish a lifelong link to Patrick have been obliterated, it doesn’t give you the right to go around giving people the sulky silent treatment and evil glares!) As if that laughable, eye-rolling moment weren’t enough, next we were treated to an impromptu encounter with none other than the overwhelmingly whacked-out witch on wheels, Nina, who is so obviously out-of-her-mind that no intelligent person could ever for a minute doubt her barely concealable insanity. In a truly camp-tastic scene that was simply too awful to behold, Ms. Clay aimed her evil sights on Ava’s unborn child with such chilling lunacy that one had to wince at the possibilities….no matter how much I have despised that Jerome woman in the past, I simply cannot condone the notion that “La Nina” will prevail in her quest to “obtain” a “Clayby” for Silas via yet another GH stolen infant caper….how I hope that her efforts will be stymied by this cunning, canny mafiosa and mother-to-be! Hence, with the blatantly predictable writing on yesterday’s wall, it is unbelievably time for me to switch my allegiance to that twitchy, bewitching, have gun will travel vicious vamp otherwise known as Ava Jerome. Given her savvy instincts, not to mention, considerable shooting skills, it is my fondest wish that she will utilize both to again vanquish her enemies, while simultaneously relieving Port Charles of two of it most cloying, annoying citizens, Snippy and Phyllina….oh, make that three…toss in “Grossalie” for good measure…I am sure there will be plenty of bullets available since “Ava Baby” is such a crack shot. You go, girl!!!!

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    harry replied

    Well, said, Shay. Nina and Ava? I hope they cannibalize each other.
    And as for “Snippy”? That’s like Bambi vs Godzilla. I wonder if the powers that be understand everyone is rooting for Ava over Snippy.

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    Patrick replied

    LOL

    “… I hope they cannibalize each other. ”

    I love this stuff

    Shay replied

    Thanks, Harry!!! I’m only pulling for “Team Ava” because she has the proper skill set to put those other nuisances out of their misery, and that for me, is the ultimate goal! Whatever transpires after the fact to the “Hoity-Toity Hit Lady” matters none to me….I truly hope she eventually gets her just desserts for her part in AJ’s downfall and demise. But first “Cruella De Jerome” has her work cut out for her! Frankly, I was quite disappointed by her uncharacteristically subdued, almost sympathetic, reaction to the mouthy mouse’s major hissy fit during the “When Snippy Met Snotty” scene….(I guess the usually cool as a cucumber mafia maven was a bit off her game after being taken aback by “LaNina’s” surprise charm-less offensive, what with all that creepy, maniacal grinning and such…Ick!) Under normal circumstances, the take-no-prisoners princess of Port Charles’ underworld would have backed that arrogant pink-clad amateur up against the wall, then chewed her up and spit her out to show who was (mob) boss…oh well, another day, another opportunity for revenge. (Something to anticipate with bated breath!) As long as Ava gets her gun….and the job gets done!!!!.

    Elizabeth replied

    I was thinking the very same thing! I hope that both Nina and Ava are gone by the time this thing plays out. Just hope it doesn’t take too long.

    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I too wrote above about a possible baby kidnapping…me thinks Nina will have Rosallee…disguised as Sabrina…kidnap the Ava offspring from GH and a witness paid by Nina will claim he or she had seen Sabrina with the baby…Ava will put a hit out on Sabrina but Sonny protects Saps after learning she is his daughter!!!

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    Dan replied

    Just wanna say I love the name Cartini, sounds like a drink you might order sitting on the beach in Miami, lol. “Waiter, bring me a Cartini on the rocks!!” :)

    Shay, you bring up a lot of interesting points. Personally, I’m enjoying the hell out of both Maura West and Michelle Stafford’s performances. They’re old school campy, over the top soap, and I love it. Some people aren’t a fan of the camp, I’m all for it. They’re what soap operas are supposed to be.

    These first scenes between Ava and Nina felt like appetizer for a big meal yet to come, and I’ll be eagerly waiting with my fork and knife in hand!

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    CeeCee replied

    The literal meaning of “Cartini” is; ‘ little cards’ ….. Cute.

    Shay replied

    Dan….I totally adore camp when it is delicious and well done….witness Dr. O. (et al….) and her outrageous escapades!!! I am simply not feeling the “Phyllina” love of her ardent followers from Y&R. To me, MS’s repetitive repertoire of affectations, i.e., repeating things for emphasis, the constant gesticulating and most especially, the smug, self-satisfied smiling that can barely be contained, are completely predictable, and thus, boring. So placing her with another scene-stealing diva’s orbit with her own set of trademark moves and grooves (with which we have become so familiar) really didn’t personally make for great drama, as far as I’m concerned….I found it to be disappointing, at best. However, as I previously stated, I will be an advocate for Ava because I don’t want to see Nina prevail in her latest loony lark, but once that’s over, my sense of ennui with Ms.Jerome will return in spades. I’m much more interested in seeing where the autumnal storylines connect with the Cassadines, Westbournes and other legacy characters of the past. I haven’t felt such a sense of anticipation about GH since last year at this time….I’m hoping it will be fulfilled and then some! (As for the “Cartini” moniker, I cannot take credit for coining it. I encountered it elsewhere last year and still occasionally utilize it here, but you’re quite right, it does sound like a kicky little cocktail. Perhaps some enterprising soapfan/mixologist will concoct an apropos potable in Ron and Frank’s honor!)

    Patrick replied

    Hello Shay

    I don’t think it necessary to … at this site …. elevate persons….

    but.. there comes a time… when it’s time to standout

    I simply adore … your command of the FUN delight delish imaginative “word”

    “… But all that changed yesterday with the foreshadowed challenges Ms. Jerome is obviously going to be battling in the foreseeable future. ”

    YES

    and i hope the same, for Nina… Michelle Stafford

    I can’t diss a post that … all our… that want the best of the remaining 4

    that being said….

    this 5th serial

    commands…. stimulates our mindset

    Cheers

    fan salute

    keep on

    read

    I look forward with

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    rebecca1 replied

    I loved the dance between Nina and Ava. Even though I’ve expressed my dislike for Nina’s caricature-ish ways…I can’t take my eyes off her. She’s just so….creepy! And yet, she’s deliciously sarcastic, biting…and I love that part of her!

    “If you want to touch the baby, you need to ask.” (Ava)

    “Can I touch it?” (Nina)

    “No.” (Ava)

    Totally paraphrasing; can’t remember it verbatim but too funny! Loving their “duel.”

    As for Sabrina…you go, girl! Even though she’s blaming the wrong person, I’m glad to see her mama bear come out. I don’t have to root for her against Ava, because she’ll find out soon enough that she’s aiming her wrath in the wrong direction. As for Ava seeming compassionate (@Shay) we’ve seen Ava’s redeeming side several times ie her love for Kiki, for Morgan, her seeming regret at having killed Connie (and not just because she fears for her own life)… She’s able to segue from cold killer to weepy-eyed doe…and then back again in an instant. But I too want to see AJ avenged…so there lies the dilemma. (I do so miss Sean/AJ.)

    Shay replied

    @Patrick….A most sincere thanks for your gracious, generous comments! They are particularly meaningful coming from you because your “words” were some of the first I encountered upon discovering MFSoaps, and since then, I’ve continued to find your unique writing style and obvious love of “words” to be a delightful and intriguing treat to behold. It never ceases to amaze me how many well-versed individuals visit here to express their thoughts, each in their own special way….I believe it makes all of us better communicators and expands our own writing capabilities and talents….we learn from each other!!!! : )

  10. missellie says:

    Sorry but I am really tired of seeing Nina just about every day on GH.

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    Timmm replied

    Yeah but its better than seeing Sean, T.J., Jordan, Felix, Brad, James, “The Tin Man”, Levi, Lucy, and Kiki!

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Soooooo true…lol

    dmr replied

    I completely agree. I can’t stand the scenes between Brad and Lucas. I do like the scenes between Brad and Britt, though. Levi-time to go. Kiki-ugh, I hate the random scenes the character is put into. The actress can’t hold a major storyline herself, so she is put in such random scenes-UGH-like when she overhead Carly and Sonny talking about their one-nighter. I thought, “great, now I am going to have to see this dumb character even more…”

    rebecca1 replied

    Love Kristen Alderson who played Star on OLTL…now Kiki. She has a very realistic girlish yet mature persona…in both shows. She’s young and fun…yet seems to have an old soul and just an all-around wise, compassionate character. Nothing dumb about her.

    rebecca1 replied

    And by the way, Kristen is more than capable of carrying a story…she emanates authenticity and range.

  11. soapbaby says:

    Like much of the show these days, I was unimpressed. Michelle Stafford’s performances as Nina have been off-putting. Something just doesn’t work for me. Also, MS is not able to elevate the poor writing of the character. Maura West on the other hand, makes her every scene, “must-watch-TV.” She acts circles around her scene partners. As far as dueling soap divas, DAYS has been delivering on that front for a while now. On any given day, you get Ali Sweeney, Lauren Koslow, Kate Mansi, Arianne Zucker, Jen Lilley, Melissa Reeves, Kassie DePaiva, Eileen Davidson or Deidre Hall volleying fantastic, bitchy, soapy dialogue!

    The overall episode was incredibly dull to me, highlighting the worst characters of the show: Nina, Silas, Kiki, Franco, Nathan, Sabrina, Carrrlos! I actually look forward to seeing Carly & Sonny together, preferring her with him rather than Franco…that’s how bad Franco is.

    I don’t care about Lulu and Maxie being kidnapped by Levi/Peter. I never watched the story of the Aztec jewels from ’85. The final scene of the smoke bomb incapacitating everyone and the entrance of “cartoon villain of the week” induced a groan from me. I resent how the writers rely on nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake! How many members of the audience watched the show 30 years ago or care? It’s like the writers are saying: “Hey, look at us! We know GH history! Floating Rib? Pickled Lila? See, told ya!” I get it already but just craft engaging, thoughtful story. I don’t resent new characters, I do resent poorly developed characters and ridiculous plot points. GH history also included sophisticated stories. While Luke & Laura were saving the world from being frozen over, Alan/Monica/Rick/Lesley were entangled in broken marriages and affairs! GH was never “all cartoon, all of the time!”

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    Timmm replied

    I think Nina and Ava are gold! I do see your point about the writing and how GH used to have interesting “Sub” stories to go along with front burner action stories.

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    aria replied

    your clearly a dool fan so whats your point in giving you opinion on GH? in my opinion Michele Stafford and Maura West run circle around all those Dool women you mentioned above, maybe one in the bunch is a heavy hitter but the others are all wannabe!

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    soapbaby replied

    @ aria: I can posit my opinion where I see fit and if you do not like it, please feel free to skip my posts.

    I am a fan of daytime soap operas and view all remaining 4. Having a critical opinion is not a bad thing. There is no denying Maura West’s considerable talent being able to elevate the dialogue but the storytelling is not as strong as it could be. Right now, DAYS has better overall story and particularly for its female characters.

    That’s my point.

    CeeCee replied

    Right on, Aria. The way Nina and Ava were circling and sizing each other up should be a prized soap moment. From day one I have said Kiki was Nina’s . There are still some unbelievers…lol. Then, when I suggested Nina somehow taking Ava’s baby or steal an embryo, or be artificially inseminated, I was pooh-poohed. We all have personal opinions, each one being very feasible.
    But, to insinuate that Michelle Stafford brings nothing to this show but insanity…well, that’s insane. Lol…Take a look around at all these other characters. Is there anyone among them that holds our interest more?…whether we like Michelle and Ava or not, these two women deliver.
    I can’t stand Ava, the character, but I admire the actress’s in-your-face-aplomb.
    Michelle? No one better, IMO…except, perhaps, Maura.
    Let’s remove these two women from the canvas…what do we have? Back to every-day boring life in Port Charles. Cryogenics hold no interest for me, the same mob-recycled stories with Carly and her warts always in the midst of stupid rendez-vous with Sonny. How many times can this story be repeated? Will Carly also find herself pregnant?…and the beat goes ooon….

    Patrick replied

    for all the shenanigans : high jinx : uproar : falacy : LOL OK GH rises

    DAYS is my comfort… I watch with nary an opinion… my mind floats… dreams… salivates… continues for more

    GH triggers… I go there

    Days of OUR Lives…. courts

    I’m rested sigh of relief my show is on…

    Salem’ite

    su0000 replied

    lol
    General hospital is not for everyone..<——
    It is out of the the traditional soap box..
    When all is wrong and nothing is right with GH then GH is not for that person..
    Open minded peoples with a sense of humor who '''get it'' are the true fans//
    GH is not like the other soaps nor is meant to be like them, thank the gawds!!

    RC and team, FV and the extraordinary actors of GH are the best of best.. :)

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    Fanny replied

    I agree,agree agree,agree!!!

    Elizabeth replied

    GH is so far beyond what it ever has been that it is just awful. Yes, it has always had story lines that have required a suspension of belief… but this is just so bad it is embarrassing on behalf of ABC. Victor being the cartoon mastermind of Peter Harrell Jr. stealing the Aztec jewels? SO amateur. Like Victor could care about two Aztec family pieces. And to have gone to all that trouble to kidnap Lulu? Seriously – when she goes to Wyndemere probably twice a week? They may as well change the name of the soap to “wet toilet paper on the wall, what sticks?” At least the classic sci-fi stuff had believable relationships between characters… but that is long gone with this writing and production team.

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Victor…me thinks he kidnapped her for the returning Stravos!!!

    dmr replied

    soapbaby: I think that DOOL’s characters and storylines are much more balanced that GH. I think because DOOL has a smaller cast-full of veteran actors. For the past few years, DOOL has gone back to its roots-focusing on the veteran actors and core families. Unfortunately, GH is overly staffed with useless recurring characters. Unfortunately, I don’t think the 3 OLTL actors are really cutting it. As much as I love Roger Howarth, I wish that he came back as a different character, not Franco. I don’t care much for Silas. & Kiki, well Kiki-UGH-really annoying.

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    soapbaby replied

    dmr: I agree with you. I championed the former OLTL showrunners when they moved to GH and enjoyed the first year and 1/2. I forgave a lot of missteps because the show was reinvigirated. I think Todd Manning and John McBain worked very well on GH but the headwriter working overtime to shoehorn three completely unnecessary characters in Silas, Kiki and Franco (Franco was even reviled when played by James Franco!) and adding even more new and poorly written/acted characters. The show has no focus or soul and all over the place. A prime example is Liesl Olbrecht. While Kathleen Gati is a revelation, the character is at-best a character who should only show up maybe once a year! Same with Heather and Faison (both actors I love btw/.)

    soapbaby replied

    Ohh, and Kiki IS.THE.WORST.

    sandra replied

    I try to watch DOOL but their actors are so bad. Its like DOOL stand on the street corner to hire actors. I don;t know how many story lines DOOL has going at one time but I know Bold and the Beautiful has 2, Y&R has maybe 2 coherent story lines. GH on the other hand seems as though they have 10 different story lines going at all times, I love it

  12. Timmm says:

    These are two titans of daytime. You tell me today where you would get this much talent, scene for scene, on a prime time TV show? GH fans are so lucky!

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    Shay replied

    Downton Abbey!!!!…..Enough said, Timmm!

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    And my Coronation Street…what a great soap with the best acting and character driven stories about working middle class families and everday life…love Downtown Abbey and the classic Upstairs Downstairs…wish the British were producing and writing for our soaps!!!

    MBmomof3 replied

    Timmm, I agree that GH fans are very lucky. For me, even the actors who need a bit more “seasoning” seem to be doing much better. They all seem to take their craft seriously and work hard on giving their best performance. Not many scenes being “phoned in” these days. JMO.

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    Elizabeth replied

    If GH fans are so lucky why are there so many complaints across the message boards? GH fans want to see GH characters in compelling and integrated stories. There is much resentment that each of these titans (along with the OLTL 3) simply came on and have taken turns completely eating the show. Did you notice the most recent ratings? The story went from a kidnapping at a wedding to a full week of Nina’s histrionics and the result was that 99,000 people didn’t bother to watch. That doesn’t sound like viewers who consider themselves lucky.

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    rebecca1 replied

    Well I’m one fan who feels that way. I’m glad GH is still on the air…I’m glad a lot of the characters I love are back…though disappointed they’re not on more…I’m glad that the “OLTL 3″ are also present…I see no difference in them being cast then an actor I’d never seen before. And when they WERE cast…I was thrilled…as were many OLTL fans who had these actors in their “guilty pleasure” lives and then abruptly didn’t. I assume it’s the same for Y&R fans who like certain actors that are no longer with that show. I don’t feel resentment that they’re “taking up too much time…”

    Yeah, I’d like to see more Anna, Lucy, Scott…I’l love to see Duke but I”m assuming he’s off working on his other show…

    The point is I’m loving GH. Yes, I have some criticisms which I’ve expressed before, but I think the fans are “lucky” that it’s still on and there’s a whole host of really impressive daytime favs/actors for just about everybody.

    Timmm replied

    Those are all good point. I cite Ava and Nina’s scene in the hospital. It was compelling. I realize most think that actors just memorize lines and hopefully they are well written but you also have to make the audience believe what is written. These two ladies are gold.

  13. mfarris70 says:

    This clash of the titans was so worth the wait. Emmy-worthy for both the actresses and the writers. #slutshaming

    I feel like the suspects are starting to line up to steal Ava’s baby. And we’ve noticed that Nina and Kiki have the same hair color. This wouldn’t be the first time that two women who don’t like each other discover that they’re mother and daughter, but maybe this is a red herring. I can’t imagine how Ava would have given birth to Nina’s child without knowing it, but if Victor Cassadine is involved then all bets are off.

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    su0000 replied

    Ava will lose the baby, it will not be born, thanks to Nina..
    Nina will drug ava as her mother drugged her and therefore she will lose the baby..
    Kiki is not Nina’s baby …

    anything concerning Nina’s baby, will have to do with Madalin, Nina’s mother who most likely will have the now 23yr old boy/girl .. Perhaps she carried the baby to term and while in her coma gave birth, it happens in real life, so…..??

    I am luvin this story and the 2 ladies are giving us a stellar performance!!

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    Ava will have the baby…Nina is planning on kidnapping the child…you will see im right and you will have to apologize to me…kidding..no apology…lol…but you’ll see that we are right…lol

    su0000 replied

    OK, jimh..
    I will bet you a beer, heh 3 beers, that I am going to be right!
    You will need to fly to Mn. to deliver my beers but ya have to do it .. :)

    again ;;
    ”Nina will drug Ava as her mother drugged her and therefore Ava will lose the baby..
    Kiki is not Nina’s baby …”

    CeeCee replied

    Om, su000! Did I actually guess you are from Minnesota? Good for me! Lol. I just knew by the way you express yourself. I love it.

    CeeCee replied

    Ava did not give birth to Kiki. Madeline took Nina’s baby and gave her to Ava , who was very much in love with Silas. Madeline paid Ava an exorbitant amount of money to raise the baby. Ava fell instantly in love with the baby, with or without the money. That is what I have always thought. Granted, I am probably wrong, but it could have happened this way.
    GH is the bomb right now, otherwise we would not take this subject thus far. We have been talking about it since Nina’s name was first mentioned.

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    You are not wrong if i agree with you…lol…Nina and Kiki(same number of letters in their name even…ok, she is really Lauren…lol) ARE mommy and daughter!!!

    mfarris70 replied

    Yes, this theory has been discussed before but I have one problem with it. Why did Ava lie and tell everyone that Franco, a mass murderer, was the father? She said before that it was because she thought Silas did kill Nina. But Silas’ name was on the birth certificate and Ava stayed in New York, so it seems like a rather weak plan to keep Silas away from his child. Plus, I can’t imagine a young Ava the party girl wanting someone else’s baby– she’s barely maternal as it is. If this is the story it will need further backstory to make it plausible. Maybe Donna Mills’ imminent return will shed some light.

    Mary SF replied

    It seems reasonable. It always confused me why Ava lied about Kiki’s paternity claiming Franco was the father. It didn’t make sense if she loved Silas so much one would think she would be thrilled to tell him she was carrying his child. But this way, it may have been part of the deal that she made with Madeline. Nina was in a coma, Madeline didn’t want the child and no way she would tell Silas about it, perhaps she offered the child to Ava or sold her the child, as long as she promised never to tell Silas he had a daughter. So Ava wanting to have some part of Silas for her own, agreed, and passed her next fling, Franco as the father– until Connie blew that secret and the cover story she gave Silas for lying to him, was just that a cover story– and the real truth will come out, say November sweeps.

    CeeCee replied

    Thanks for the vote of confidence, jimh…I always stand by your wise input. You are a sage. Really.
    Bye.

    rebecca1 replied

    I agree with your theory Mary SF; thought the same thing. Madeleine didn’t want Silas to have any part of her money…and by having a child with Nina he would either inherit or be given power over the child’s money. I agree she gave Kiki to Ava…under the condition that Silas never find out. As for Franco, since she slept with him as well it would seem to him and everyone else plausible. Poor Kiki. If this theory is true she not only had to adjust to Franco not being her father, but now Ava not being her bio mom. Seems a lot of people don’t know who their real parents are on soaps..Nathan for another. And we fans just kinda let them recycle and get into it each time. Either the writers are THAT good…or we’re all lost… ;)

  14. shrona says:

    Though I didn’t watch either of these actresses on their former soaps, I was well aware of their reputations and this meeting was as great as I expected. Nina’s icy calm was much more frightening than if she yelled and screamed. You could tell that, underneath her snappy replies, Ava was unnerved. I agree with Michael- kudos to Maura and Michelle!

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  15. William Hall says:

    I resound that scene several times. It was perfect in so many ways. Crazy respecting Crazy. I want more!

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  16. Mary SF says:

    Saw these two powerful actresses work together on Y&R. On that show Phyllis and Diane Jenkins were evenly matched so when they were in a scene together the sparks did fly. On this show, Nina although emotionally damaged and filled with anger, she comes across to me very childlike– and that really came across in their scenes yesterday. I got the feeling if Ava wanted to she could squash Nina in New York minute, but at the moment she got bigger fish to fry. Of course that could be Ava’s downfall, underestimating Nina’s brand of crazy, so it will be interesting how they proceed with this conflict.

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    su0000 replied

    I see this coming, for the two..
    Ava will lose the baby, it will not be born, thanks to Nina..
    Nina will drug Ava as her mother drugged her and therefore Ava will lose her baby the same way Nina lost her baby.. (tit_for_ tat)
    Nina’s justice..

    And then all that’s when all goes BOOM!!
    there will be rage and revenge and Nina will have to deal with Sonny and Morgan for killing their baby….

    and— Kiki is not Nina’s baby … :)

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    k/kay replied

    Do we really need another baby storyline?

    Patrick replied

    what a fun post to forward these two women

    I hope they find an even keel

    a leverage of sorts for two to combust

    how can it get any bigger for writers to del

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  17. aria says:

    it was fun watching them go at it, they had me hanging on every word, and rewinding back to see it again. hope theres more to come.

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    It was the best of GH!!!

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  18. k/kay says:

    The only question I have about this scene is whose bright idea was it to put this two women in such HORRID clothes. The wardrobe department should be ashamed.

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    CeeCee replied

    Ava’s wardrobe has always left something to be desired , as it were. Her clothes look like they have been put together by a mad scientist.
    However, after much thought, I believe that Nina’s clothes must reflect the subdued appearance she is trying to impress upon everyone. The butterfly will emerge and spread her colorful wings. Can’t wait for the transformation ….Nina’s got the goods.

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  19. Rodd says:

    Loved it! See? This is what great acting and soap writing are all about; a classic example. Kudos to all involved!

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  20. jeremy says:

    This was Explosive, WOW!!! Nice job to maura and michelle for this Entertaing confrontation, you had me at the edge of my seat lol :) Even, my mother was beyond excited!! :) Go GH loving you more.. :)

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  21. west virgina fan says:

    damn….ladies, I mean damn….

    Michelle stafford is having a lot more fun than she has had for years on y&r.

    Ava can take on anybody, but Nina may be a real match (sonny is too wimpy, and she just mows through everyone else…however, heather, nina and ava having a crazy diva off could be fun so long as they let heather be smart funny and not slapstick blt

    bring more of these ladies on….however, I would have liked to have seen ava or nina with connie (not wimpy kate but connie in full blown on the warpath).

    not seen this much fun since the anna devane/objecht mask off

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    k/kay replied

    Where is Anna? The heart and soul of GH! First you had OLTL actors invading GH now it is Y&R actors invading GH. What gives?

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    And where is Duke?

    Elizabeth replied

    Exactly. Why do we need to resort to tired baby and WTD storylines in place of police/spy mysteries (well done ones, which I guess is an excessively formidable challenge under this regime). The LAST thing I want to see is one shrew going after another and then turning around to do the same thing all over again with two more shrews…. that wasn’t EVER the soul of GH. The closest thing to that on this show was Laura and Bobbie, and even they cared about one another and closed ranks when push came to shove. I much prefer that.

    Patrick replied

    ” damn….ladies, I mean damn…. ”

    applause

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  22. mk says:

    Their Characters hated each other on Y and R too.

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  23. sandie says:

    I admit it was a good scene,,,,, , BUT,,, MW is pure gold,,, MS on the other hand is just not ,, in my opinion,, worthy to stand beside MW. Yes,, MS plays the crazy nut bag, , but,, she leaves me just cringing.She can go anytime!!!
    If Nina steals the baby,, Ava will have her head on a platter,,, Nina has NO idea what and whom she is messing with,,, ,Ava,,,will be a momma dog with rabies and Sonny wiil explode!!! Right along with Julian messing with his neice or nephew!!!! I cant wait to see them all come together and wipe the floor with Nina!!

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    CeeCee replied

    Julian could care less about his unborn niece/nephew. He really does not cate much for Ava…he would sell her to the devil for 30 dinars.
    These actresses are equally committed to their craft. This so-telling and ominous scene would have been worthless without either of them. Michelle and Maura made the scene what it was. Each character carried the other. So, please do not assume that this storyline could go forward without Stafford.
    I will admit that West can hold her own…as I said earlier, she is as a refined actress as Stafford….but, it was Michelle who held tenure on Y&R , not Maura. For some reason her stints don’t last very long…..dislike the character, if you will….but, honor the actress.

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    jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I believe Julian does care about the baby…especially if the child really is Sonnys child or grandchild…sneaky Julian will use the baby to his advantage against Sonny…imo!!!

    CeeCee replied

    I guess, jimh. But the story takes a different face , if that is the case. Julian would care not out of love but for his own devilish schemes.

  24. GH-er says:

    Totally team Ava in this battle. I love GH but Nina is just no fun at all to watch. She’s boring and inane and reptilian and she is on screen ALLLLL the time. Total snoozefest.

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  25. Kaffen says:

    This is news how…..MOVE ON….AIN’T NOTHING TO SEE..THEY ARE OLDER STARS..TRYING TO GET A FRESH LOOK….YARN………………

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    rebecca1 replied

    What exactly does that mean they are “older” stars…sounds kinda ageist. Was that your intent?

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    CeeCee replied

    That is a very offensive and tactless remark.

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    Timmm replied

    Jeanne Cooper was an “Old” star and Y&R fans miss her EVERYDAY!

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  26. sandie says:

    I will give credit when credit is due,,,, oh,, by the way, ,,, This is General Hospital,,,, NOT Young and the Restless

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    CeeCee replied

    Some remarks are best left unanswered. I do not bother with antagonists.

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  27. Alan says:

    “May I touch your baby?”

    Best line ever.

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  28. MBmomof3 says:

    I thought their scene was very entertaining. GH really has an amazing cast. I’m looking forward to see what happens next in Port Charles! Lots of great storylines happening right now.

    Justice for AJ!

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  29. CeeCee says:

    I beg to disagree, dmr. The reason you cannot allow yourself to measure Kiki’s talent is because you ‘hate’ her…..your words, not mine. She does what she is directed to do. I am not much older than she and when she was on OLTL, I identified with her on so many levels. Why? …..because of her excellent acting.

    Her best moments on that show were with Roger Howarth/Todd Manning , who played her father. Now, we can still see
    the connection she has with him, as Franco. That is rare.
    As I previously stated, once Kiki is given a storyline with mystery and depth, both the actress and the character will shine. It is not her fault her scenes seem meaningless and superfluous. She does a great job with what is put on her plate, IMO. Please don’t blame the messenger.

    My point is, Kiki is on stage for a reason…have a little patience…it will all come together. I am actually savoring the thrill of anticipation as to which direction this Nina/Ava/Silas/Kiki storyline is headed.

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    Marjore Manford replied

    Kristen Alderson is a very talent young woman is not her fault Kiki is ill defined and ill conceived. Kiki severs no real purposes besides being one of Ronnie’s many pet character’s. Kiki has been on 2 years now and she has not been given any depth,direction or purpose.

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  30. CeeCee says:

    I have never found Stafford boring. Au contraire, she is FANTASTIQUE!!!
    Inane? How is a woman with a mental disorder silly?
    And, last time I looked, she bore no resemblance to a snake. Lol.

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  31. pam says:

    I am wondering if Ava may have had a still born birth and Nina’s mom Madeline may have switched Nina’s baby with Ava’s. So Kiki maybe Nina’s & Silas’s with only Madeline knowing the truth.

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  32. Kayla says:

    Is this a spin off form the loving I tough Ava was a chacter. Form loving not genrel hospital in loving Ava was in. A coma and Alex played by randolph Mantooth was there and was emotal and. Then had a child latter on .

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