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166 April 14th, 2015 GENERAL HOSPITAL: Luke Battles Himself And Brings Up Raping Laura!

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On Tuesday’s episode of General Hospital, Fluke made a return appearance, or shall we say the bad side of Luke (Anthony Geary)!  While Luke is in restraints, he envisions his father’s tattoo emblazoned on his arm and he begins to battle with himself … the good vs. the evil.

Luke’s dark side reiterated to Luke that the way that his father treated mama was the way he treated women and the way he treated Laura (Genie Francis)!  Luke yells: “Shut up!”  Then he is egged on by his dark side who says about Laura:  “You wanted her and she said ‘no’ and so you raped her!  Then you sold it as the greatest love story ever told.”  Luke says, “That’s not true. That may be the way the rest of the world remembers it, but not me.  No.  I never denied what I did to Laura.”

But Luke’s alter ego did not stop there.  He want on to say, “You love women the way you love a good stiff drink, or two, or six, or however many it takes to be blind and run down you little grandson!”

Meanwhile, Bobbie (Jackie Zeman) was able to talk Scott Baldwin (Kin Shriner) out of not having Luke put in jail, but instead into a mental facility which Luke seemed very grateful to his little sister that she was able to make this arrangement on his behalf.

What did you think about GH bringing up Luke raping Laura, and how Luke’s past may now have given him a reason for his action that fateful night years ago at the Campus Disco?  Weigh-in below!

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  1. su0000 says:

    The writers are fantastic!
    They are putting out the story of Luke..
    I am enthralled going along with the journey of Luke Spencer, an Icon character of GH a true cornerstone GH..
    IF, indeed it is Tonys exit it is very befitting, Lukes life journey..

    There are some who will never ”get it” and never see what is happening because their minds are one track, but for all who ”get it” it is a fascinating tale..

    I am excited to go on to Tony/Lukes clouser..

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    Reagan replied

    For me the sad part about the idea that this is Tony/Luke’s exit is another legend gone. Meaning- Edward & Lila are gone, the Hardy’s are gone– the senior cast. Monica is such a drop and even if Tracy Q stays, who’s the male in that age range left? Am I making any sense, lol??

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    CeeCee replied

    You are, Reagan. You are having pangs of nostalgia. We all have those. But, as you say…the senior cast is gone. Most have passed away and others are perhaps not willing to come to work every day or are ill.
    Soaps re-generate….sadly, it is hard to see some of our favorites go.
    I was so attached to OLTL. Seeing those characters on a daily basis, away at school, was like coming home for me.
    I know I exactly how you feel. My only wish for these remaining soaps is that they stay put.

    Laurie replied

    Reagan,
    They should have NEVER killed off Alan Quartermaine!!! He wasn’t squeaky clean but he could fit a strong matriarch role. I’ve always been mad his chance to fill Edward’s shoes were stripped away from Stuart Damon. Fantastic actor.
    As far as GH writing this about Luke discussing raping Laura, etc, it would be criminal not to do that! I don’t like stories when the reveal is the end. No, no, no…this story should be far from over. So glad they’re doing it this way.

    CeeCee replied

    This sounds so depressing. So, the patriarchal Quartermaine role died with AJ? Michael is obviously too young.
    However, GH is magical, as all soaps. So, why not ‘revive’ Alan Q? There is your patriarch, Laurie.

    Out of context…..methinks Chelsea will be surprised with another Adam Newman, bambino(a).

    Shay replied

    @Laurie…..While I can appreciate your disappointment with the diminishing role— and then death—of Stuart Damon’s Alan Quartermaine, it was my understanding that a major factor for this decision was that the actor was ailing and not able to continue to participate in the show in an active manner anymore. Rather than do a recast, TPTB chose to kill off the character and thereafter have him very occasionally appear as an apparition. These fleeting glimpses continued until AJ’s untimely demise and ascension up the GH stairway to “heaven,” when a stand-in was obviously used not only for Alan, but of course, Lila and Edward (out of necessity….) which leads me to think that due to health reasons, Damon is no longer available to reprise his iconic character .

    Patricio replied

    If it is tonys departure I hope we get a few scenes with Ms. Francis.

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    Ces replied

    I agree. I kept hoping that Laura would pop up when Fluke was going crazy; should could have seen right through him and known it wasn’t the real Luke!

    Jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I think its good that the subject of Laura was brought up…some say Luke had no perv side and never wouldve hit on Kiki…but Luke did rape Laura so he did have a perv side years ago which reamerged when he was Fluke and hit on Kiki…mho!!!

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    CeeCee replied

    Except, Jimh, rape has nothing to do with perversion, but everything to do with power.
    Hitting on Kiki was perverted…the-old-goat- kind of perversion. And, that is the difference.
    I do not know the backstory of Laura and Luke, but if he raped her it had most likely to do with the fact that he thought he was not good enough for her? I may be way off track here, but, if that were the case, then psychologically, the rape gave him control over her….of that which he could not have. Obviously unstable.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Jimh…That’s one of the reasons I think that the reveal that Flike was Luke was brilliant and loyal to history…they didn’t change the events if Luke’s life…but they explained how and why he did some of the horrific things he did, such as forcing himself on Laura. all ties nicely together…

    mfarris70 replied

    Hitting on a woman (Kiki is of age, not a minor) and raping a woman are hardly comparable as being “a perv,” but I get what you mean.

    Elizabeth replied

    Luke was in love with Laura. Told her so that very night.

    CeeCee replied

    I guess I am one of those who doesn’t get it. I am not familiar with this iconic character/Luke/Fluke to appreciate his/their journey.
    Either that, su, or I am a very insensitive, and stupid newbie.

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    Shay replied

    @CeeCee….No one could ever accurately refer to you as either insensitive or stupid….your comments reveal keen insights, deeply-felt emotions and well-deduced conclusions! They also show you to be a highly objective observer where the (F)Luke odyssey is concerned. So much of it did not make a bit of sense, and to call the show runners out on the far-too-numerous-to-mention inconsistencies in Spencer’s more recent backstory was merely speaking the truth….one did not require the benefit of knowing years of GH history to realize that, even if some prefer not to admit it due to being caught up in their own haze of nostalgia for this iconic character. As you know, I am not one of those regular posters who fits that description, nor are Harry, jimh or plenty of other longtime fans who have stated similar opinions and disappointment in the Puke saga.

    CeeCee replied

    @Laurie.
    I am so so , Laurie and all of GH fans. I wrote an out of context comment about Y&R’ Chelsea.
    Again , I apologize for the confusion….a lot of screaming kids around.

    Timmm replied

    I get it. I love Tony and I love how the writers are weaving the story together between Luke, Fluke, and Tim.

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    CeeCee replied

    Oh, I must expand…I did not say it clearly. I definitely get what the writers are trying to do now. They are trying to save face by seemingly bringing , as you say, Timmm; Luke, Fluke and Tim in a binding circle.

    What I don’t get is how they arrived here. Not for a minute do I believe that this was all planned-out. In the beginning (ok, I sound like a preacher) there were two separate entities with masks-galore thrown hither and yon…. By his own admission, Geary said as much.
    What I don’t get is all the detours, including Helena, Faison, that Ashton guy…all the foolish subterfuge…why? I do not get what all that saltimbanchi, clowning around had to do with it…..and all that creepy stuff with the Cassadines. At one point I thought it was Luke/Fluke who held Jason and Robin captive. It was all a sea of confusion….I’m still recovering from it…LOL.

    The culmination of Luke’s family life as a child, as we saw it…with his obnoxious father…..the killing of his parents etc., was an addendum….last minute thinking. That’s what I don’t get.
    I will concede that as a newbie I may have missed some ingredient in Luke’s character. Perhaps, yes. But, many long-time viewers said, pretty much, the same thing.

    Harry replied

    Cee Cee, you are right and you do not need to apologize! Luke hitting on the early twenty-something Kiki (who is about a decade younger than Lulu) definitely equates to his acting like a pervert. It’s not as though you called him a pedophile for goodness sake. There is a huge difference between being a dirty old man and being a pedophile. A lot of people do not understand the difference.
    And you’re right again- a dirty old man does not exist in the same terrain as a rapist. I have watched GH since I was sixteen years old–I lived through the Luke and Laura rape crisis, and I can tell you that this recent rewriting of history not only does not explain the Fluke fiasco, it distorts history terribly while also hitting a discordant note with the psychological dynamics which exist between the rapist and his victim.

  2. Patricio says:

    I have never forgotten or comes to terms with the fact that Luke date -raped Laura at the disco. I can still hear the song they played! I never totally ok with Luke because of it.

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    shrona replied

    Rise by Herb Alpert. I hear it every now and again on the radio and the first thing that springs to my mind is “No, Luke!”

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    CeeCee replied

    Was it a date-rape? Was she there with Luke?.

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    Shay replied

    @CeeCee….Laura worked for Luke at the Campus Disco he managed…she was already married to Scotty, so there was no “dating” going on at the time. However, as I detailed at the bottom of this thread, there was an unspoken something between L&L…..he was completely smitten with this much younger teen newlywed, and she was no doubt looking for a father figure because she came from a very mixed-up background and was involved in an unsatisfying relationship with Scotty, and Luke provided that initially.

    Fanny replied

    Morning CeeCee,
    Luke was running/managing a club/”Disco” at the time, Laura was
    waiting tables while attending school. He’d been eyeing her 4 quite
    sometime, secretly lusting, really she was lovely, inside and out.
    It’s what she represented good,pure,untouched…everything he wasn’t.
    One night after drinking wayyyyyy too much, having had a bad day,week…
    He lost control (I always thought he’d lost his mind..) The club had just closed
    for the evening,they were the only two people left ,and she was about to leave.
    He was DRUNK ,he looked miserable and lost which played in his favor when he
    asked her to dance. Herb Albert’s “RISE” played in the background) Laura was
    hesitant, against her better judgement she agreed, hoping it would make him feel
    better. It started out innocently enough.. Until it wasn’t. He wouldn’t let go, he didn’t
    hear her telling him to stop repeatedly.. He raped her.
    There’s so much more to their story, forgiveness,LOVE,marriage,children…..
    But this was the beginning.

    CeeCee replied

    Shay and Fanny, thank yo so much for the backstory.

    Harry, I thank you, as well.
    It’s nice to know that you are able to read me and understand what I’m saying.

    Elizabeth replied

    Fanny,
    The day of the rape Luke didn’t just have “a bad day”… he was told by Frank Smith that he would be required to prove his loyalty to the mob by carrying out a hit on Mitch Williams, who was Tracy Quartermaine’s husband and a candidate for the state senate. The hit was to occur on election day and Luke knew that he would be killed after carrying it out. He was in angst and in panic, and started to drink heavily. Laura had been forgotten at work – at the disco – by Scott who was supposed to pickl her up. She found Luke crying at the bar and asked him what was wrong, told him she could help, and refused to go away / go home repeatedly when Luke told her she couldn’t do anything but go home. He told her to please go, didn’t she know that he was completely in love with her and she refused. (NOT putting the blame on her, that was the storyline.) He told her he was going to be killed, asked her to dance with him, then pulled her down and raped her. Essentially he lost control because he wanted to have her before he died.

    My point is, he didn’t have a bad day. He learned he would be killed in a month’s time.

    Elizabeth replied

    Correction… I guess learning you are going to be killed would qualify as a bad day. But it is quite a bit more than just a bad day.

  3. Rose says:

    Enough already!

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    michael replied

    i agree completely. AND can you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, get an editor on your site. “and run down YOU little grandson.” Great journalism skills!

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  4. Shay says:

    All I know is that I cannot take much more of the “Bobbie Boop” freak show….it’s much too depressing to watch. Between the wax museum-ish close-ups and the long shots which look as if the character has swallowed a couple of “Baywatch-shaped” flotation devices, it is truly a painful sight to behold. Please just make it stop, and now. Get Laura back for some much-needed, meaningful scenes with Luke and send “Barbara Jean” back to Seattle and have her take her niece “Val-Chops” with her!

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    The Substitute replied

    So agree just get this off the screen and Geary looks like a corpse as for Laura the fact Lulu has not even mentioned talking to her Mom about this should tell you everything you need to know. TG is not going anywhere his ego won’t allow it everybody tells him he is a God.

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    CeeCee replied

    That is kind of strange, Substitute. How is it that a girl, going through this traumatizing, physically and emotionally draining experience not once say…”I wish my mom were here!”.
    Even when I have a headache, I call my mother….it’s what women do….they talk to their mothers, seeking comfort.
    As far as Geary being looked upon as a God? LOL. Why? I do not like him. He is a good actor, period. He was amazing in the role of maniacal Fluke/Luke….but, just his acting. I guess there is something magical about him that escapes me. Even in his younger years, he never had looks of which to speak , albeit looks become secondary when a great, effusive personality kicks in.
    As I said, Mr. Geary’s persona means much to many fans….so, I’ll shut up now.

    Elizabeth replied

    In my mind for all the big talent Mr. Geary has, it is dwarfed by his narcissism and his ego.

    carol replied

    I was shocked the first time Bobbie reappeared in PC. I am totally distracted from what she says since I’m too busy looking at her face. This is why I’d never consider having any “work” done.

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    CeeCee replied

    Carol, your post is one of the funniest comments I have read, considering there are many funny posters on this site……too funny.
    I still have a few years. I don’t even think about it. But, the prospect of losing the ability to smile or not being able to show facial expressions….well, it is not worth it. And, believe you me, I am vain, albeit I have always been repeatedly reminded, by my mother , that vanity is a sin. I am a sinner…LOL.

    Erick replied

    Here here. The same goes for Monica. A couple years ago she returned after not having been on for awhile. I was stunned. It was like the plastic surgery was falling right off her face.

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    Harry replied

    It’s depressing to me, Shay, because I love Bobbie.
    Val-Chops? Heh!
    Now your favorite, Alexis? Today she was wearing the most God Awful outfit which looked like it was padded with pleather on the elbows and the bodice. Yes, there was ample cleavage. I think Geraldo Rivera was in there looking for Al Capone.

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    shrona replied

    The actress who plays Alexis, Nancy Lee Grahn, is beautiful, talented and funny, but those boobalicious outfits she wears are not exactly courtroom attire IMO.

    CeeCee replied

    HaHa, Harry. If Alexis tried wearing clothes that fit, instead of looking like a sausage, her bosom would not be in our face. She has a great body…why does she stuff it into ill-fitting clothes?

    Shay replied

    Oh, Harry! (And CeeCee, too….) I’m beginning to think the wardrobe department is playing cruel tricks on NLG just to see how far she will take the ill-fitting, too-tight, décolletage-dripping tart wear, and thus far, she has refused to say uncle. How much longer can this fashion farce go on before Ms. Davis is mistaken for a streetwalker? Alexis was more stuffed and trussed up in this week’s bizarre bursting-at-the-seams-bosom-baring ensemble than any Thanksgiving turkey I’ve ever seen! Not only was Geraldo most likely mining the depths of that deep crevice, but I believe Lord Lucan and possibly the sub from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea could also be found down there, as well! A style intervention is definitely in order here….if not by the nattily-attired Duke of Bloomingdale’s, say Tim Gunn? Someone needs to fit this woman with entirely new—leather-free—sartorial selections featuring bespoke three-quarter length, double-breasted (no pun intended….) blazers along with some Lady Thatcher-inspired pussybow blouses….power dressing, indeed! And a tad more respectable and befitting of a so-called professional!

    Timmm replied

    These ladies are on TV are seen by millions. I am an admirer of natural beauty. However, to each his or her own. Bobbi, Monica, Priscilla Presley, Carmen Electra, Pam Anderson, they all look silly and I kind of feel sad for them BUT as far as GH goes, I’ll take my legacy ladies all puffer fished out rather than absent from the screen!

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    Harry replied

    Well said, Timm.
    To me, it’s when the work starts proving to be distraction from the story line.
    I know it’s very hard to be an actress over forty and there is an incredible amount of pressure inflicted on them to sustain their youthful good looks.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Agree with you, Timmm.

    Harry replied

    Shrona:
    I don’t know who is in charge of wardrobe but the get up they had Alexis wearing looked like it was straight out of Road Warrior.
    And Sam is even more of a horrid dresser–she dresses like a washed up stripper.

    Shay replied

    @Harry…..And that is exactly the point….these overly-botoxed, puffy-faced, pout-trouted individuals ARE major distractions …particularly in these days of HDTV….one cannot overlook them! It’s the injections that make for the ghoulish appearances, plastic surgery has been around for many decades, and a few nips-and-tucks have never produced the nightmarish results we now witness on a daily basis. Whether it’s over-inflated faces, lips that are so grotesquely swollen that lines cannot even be properly delivered or immobile foreheads that have no prayer of expressing any form of emotion whatsoever, these physical manifestations get in the way of enjoying not just the efforts of an actor/actress, but the very tales they are endeavoring to tell.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Get “this” off screen? “Geary looks like a corpse”. What a judgmental select few. Get over yourselves. People age. Part of life…EVERYONE’S life…if we live long enough. I can’t even believe this has to be said.

    What if you went out to dinner with your parent or grandparent and someone said, “get this out if my sight. I’m eating.”

    Why stop there? Why don’t you start a petition to ban any person you deem unattractive, regardless of age, from working in the public eye?

    Harry replied

    Rebecca, I do not think that is what other people mean. I know it’s not what I mean.
    I think wardrobe does a horrid job dressing the actresses on GH.
    And I adore Tony Geary, and I think his charisma and talent makes him a very attractive man. I honestly believe beauty is skin deep.
    About the excessive use of plastic surgery, botox and skin injections–I do think some actresses take it to an extreme, even to the point of becoming addicted to it. They do so in order to keep themselves employable but in so doing, they’re ample work makes them unemployable while fans like us claim it’s a distraction. It seems they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. However, on GH, you have actresses who play the likes of Traci, Alexis, Anna and of course, Dr O, who are all over fifty, who are all in front burner storylines and who do not appear to have had extensive work done.
    Finally, most of us come here to escape the gravity of our lives–it’s fun escapism. I have defended your viewpoint many times and often agree with it. We all speak of fat shaming, and age shaming and I think we all can agree that it’s a horrible thing in which to engage. That said, I think those who point out that certain actresses’ extensive work proves to be distracting should not be shamed for pointing that fact out.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Sam is gorgeous, Harry. Washed up stripper? Harsh. Not true…and…harsh….

    Rebecca1 replied

    My point is several people are mean spirited…it’s not our business who does what to his/her face or body. You can be shocked, as I think most of us were when we first saw a few of the actresses and their redone faces…but then…move on! Does every single post have to be about how bad her face is, how big she is, how “oversexed” a woman of a certain age is…which again, is a ridiculous statement. I feel like I’m watching a show with the audience who didn’t want Elvis to shake his hips. WHAT year is this?

    Age? We’ve got someone having Alexis knitting and stating Sam (Kelly) is not aging well…while others critique other actors on the results of their surgery. Mention looks once..okay. All the time? Stating people shouldn’t be on the show anymore because they don’t like how they look? It’s those comments that are repugnant…not the faces.

    I could care less about comments made about a TV character. But the comments are not about them.,.they’re about the actors playing them. When you criticize someone’s face and want them gone, or laugh about another actress being too big, another’s teeth a problem, someone’s age too old to be jumping her boyfriend…I think it does deserve to be called out. And since we all agree we should each have our opinion… I think if you’re confident enough to post one negative comment after another you should be able take negative reactions.

    Rebecca1 replied

    And by the word, ” you” I don’t mean, you, Harry. And, yes, forums like this are fun, snd like soaps, can be a form of escapism, as well. There’s a difference between what Shrona, above, wrote, which I respect…she wasn’t insulting NLG, but rather complimented her, while simultaneously stating she thinks Alexis should dress differently in the courtroom…and a very few who on many posts consistently insult the actress, saying she looks like a pig in heat or something to that effect and that someone “that” Age is oversexed, blah, blah, blah, ypthemselves actress should know better, is trying to hold on to her youth, on snd on ad nauseum…and then there’s the other punching bag, bobby, and ” bloated Scott”…agsin. He’s not wearing a ” bloat” suit. That’s not just Scotty’s body; it’s Kin’s.

    Just sick of the negative, critical bullshit. Theres a way to have at it without being so CONSTANTLY superior.

  5. PGP says:

    Not a longtime fan, but love the way the writers are crafting this story now! Furthermore, if this is Tiny Geary’s exit story please bring back Genie Francis so Luke and Laura can reunite and leave town together!

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    aria replied

    OMG I’M SO TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT TONY GEARY EXIT STORY, JUST BECAUSE HE MENTIONED HE WOULD EVENTUALLY LIKE TO RETIRE IT DIDN’T MEAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE, HE WAS SAYING YEARS FROM NOW NOT TODAY, ENOUGH WITH EVERYONE TRYING TO WRITE HIS EXIT STORYLINE.

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    Harry replied

    OMG, ARIAH!
    I AGREE WITH YOU!

    mfarris70 replied

    SO RIGHT! Does anyone bother to read the whole story or comprehend the meaning before jumping to an incorrect conclusion?

    Ces replied

    I am a longtime fan and I want nothing more than for Luke & Laura to live happily ever after if Tony Geary chooses to leave after this. I’m sorry but Tracy & Luke are not the real deal. I’m kinda burnt out on this story though ….

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    Timmm replied

    Something to remember, L&L were young lovers who grew to have children and they are grown. Sometimes people drift. I like Tracy and Luke together. They are so good together. L&L at this point would be a snore!

    Harry replied

    As they say, you cannot go home again.
    I want Laura to come back to finish HER story, not to finish HIS story.
    Folks want Laura back–I do too. But I do not want her to come back as an appendage of Luke’s. Laura is actually an interesting character who has been through a lot in her life. We long time viewers have invested a lot of emotion into this character and having her suddenly disappear with some vague muttering of going back to Paris does not do her justice.

    shrona replied

    I agree with Timmm- I like Luke and Tracy together- Jane Elliot is a much better foil for Tony than Genie ever was, and I am one of those late 70s college students who skipped classes to watch L&L.

    maddiehayes replied

    I agree, Ces. Luke&Laura are the most iconic supercouple EVER, and if ANYBODY should end up together, it’s them. Soap fans don’t want “realism”, we want romance. Laura is Luke’s “angel” and always will be.

  6. Robert says:

    I am glad to see Scott made the right choice and understand that Luke need psychiatric help instead of a prison. In real life many mentally ill people end up in prisons instead of being in mental health facilities. I will miss Tony Geary, if this is his final performance. Some people believe everyone could be replaced but I disagree, no one could replace Tony Geary as Luke.

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    Rebecca1 replied

    Agree about Scott’s decision, Robert. It’s insane…pun intended….to think Luke should go to prison instead of a psychiatric facility. In the end Scott always does the right thing. One of my favs….

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  7. mgb357 says:

    Maybe GH writers can bring in an expert from LLanview????

    PLease!

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  8. Timmm says:

    I’m so glad they are mentioning Laura now! First it was Bobbie and now it is Fluke. They really needed to go there. Whether Genie pops out of her bottle or not I dont care but you have to mention her. Same with Lucky. When Luke woke up in the hospital he asked for Lulu and Tracy. Thats fine but he should have asked for at least Lucky even if he just mentions him because he is groggy. I loved Luke-vs-Fluke on Tuesday and I cannot wait for more!

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    Michael (not Fairman) replied

    I do care whether Genie returns or not. Having Laura come up was natural and logical and I’m grateful that they didn’t skip that very, very pertinent beat—but it does point out (again) the glaring absence of Laura from this story, of which she should play some part. Do we know whether Genie was even approached about coming back? I could make better peace with Laura’s absence if they tried to get Genie back and she just wasn’t interested.

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  9. Mary SF says:

    Well I’m glad to see Fluke because mental illness doesn’t just disappear overnight– I’m surprised Sonny hasn’t given them the name of the shrink that integrated Connie. Luke has been ill a long time so he is not going to get better just because he remembered the trauma. But they need to find a way to finish the story, and not just drag it out longer for the sole purpose of giving Tony more scenes where he can talked to himself.

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  10. Fanny says:

    Luke’s in dire need to divest himself of his psychotic alter ego,
    please allow him to do so sooner than later. We appreciate as
    an audience RC and his team of writers needing to explain
    the inconsistencies in the Luke/Fluke storyline.
    Involving every other “evil” character was in my “opinion” a
    wast of their invaluable talents. The end justified the means
    We “got” it, let us please move on.

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  11. Aden says:

    There’s an old saying about a fork, and being done. This is Exhibit A.

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  12. aria says:

    IT WOULD BE GREAT IF GENIE FRANCIS SHOWED UP NOW. GIVE THE STORY MORE CREDIBILITY, AND NOT TURN IT INTO A SHOWCASE FOR FLUKE, TIM, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER HIDDEN ALTER EGOS TO COME OUT. I PREFER A MORE MATURE RECOVERY STORY THEN HAVING TO SEE ALL THESE POSSIBLE ALTER EGOS POP UP TO TRY TO TAKE LUKE TO THE DARK SIDE.

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  13. aria says:

    LUKE AND LAURA SHOULD GO INTO THERAPY TOGETHER, AFTER ALL THEY HAVE BOTH KILLED FAMILY MEMBERS, LUKE DEVELOPED AND ALTER EGO TO “PROTECT” HIMSELF AND POOR LAURA WENT INTO A DARK ABYSS THAT KEPT HER IN A CATATONIC STATE. THEY BOTH SUFFER SIMILAR TRAUMA AND SHOULD BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER.

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    Harry replied

    Good point, Aria.

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    Timmm replied

    Lulu killed Scotty’s son to. I dont know that Lucky killed anyone though. He can join them in therapy for being absent all these years!

  14. Nk3play2 says:

    I enjoyed that Luke said he always owned what he did to Laura while the “rest of the world” (i.e. some viewers, not all) started to see it as something different because of how Gloria Monty rewrote it.

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  15. mk says:

    Stop saying Tony is leaving. He is not! He decided to stay after his back surgeries.

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  16. CeeCee says:

    The only reason Laura was brought up is because fans , such as yourselves, brought up the suggestion. TPTB would not have given her a second thought. But, I suppose, they saw the error of their ways, and remedied the situation.
    I did not know Laura, but it is obvious she is/was a huge and important part in Luke’s life.
    I am on the beautiful Island of Martha’s Vineyard’s Katama…..GH is aired at 2 PM, an hour ahead of NY, so I type as I watch.
    I see the face-off between Luke and Sonny came to a head. I am glad Sonny asked him….”why me?”. Great question, but not impressed by Luke.
    I was ‘impressed’ with Tracy’s different look though. At first, I wasn’t sure, or could not put my finger on it, but, then, I realized that she either had cheek implants or Botox. She looks good…very subtle. I do hope she does not take it to Bobbi’s extreme…oh my!

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    Timmm replied

    I loved the Sonny and Luke scenes. It felt real and made sense with good questions which equaled good dialogue. BTW, Tracy had ELQ stock implanted in her cheeks to keep Franco from insisting Ned sign it over! Enjoy Martha!

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    CeeCee replied

    Thank you, Timmm. It is still pretty chilly here. I’m here at the family’s home with my sisters and our kids….NO GUYS!!!!!!.
    I must disagree with you, just a little bit. There’s plastic surgery and then there’s plastic surgery. Jackie Z went to the extreme, in my opinion……whoever worked on her face forgot about her jawline and neck. My husband is a doctor/surgeon; not a plastic surgeon, but we have friends who are.
    So, far be it for me to mock any of these ladies’s mishaps, however, everything in life should be done with moderation, even plastic surgery.
    Furthermore, there is a place on soaps, movies, TV in general, for all age groups. It is one’s choice and right to do as one pleases with one’s body. …..and, it is not just the ladies….look at Burt Reynolds , Kenny Rogers, Axl Rose…so many more…all botched.
    A good example of subtlety is Susan Lucci. She’s what? Seventy or so? She looks great, and more importantly, NATURAL. She must have a great doctor. One can only find those doctors in NYC. LOL.

    Fanny replied

    Agree with U Timmm, Sonny and Luke’s scenes felt like
    Coming Home, it made sense considering their past history.

    Shay replied

    @CeeCee….Yes, Jane is looking good…softer, more feminine, refreshed. And fear not, she won’t overdo it…..it’s not in her nature. By the way, did you notice she also quite admirably maintained her modesty the other day when she shared a scene with that over-stuffed sausage better known as Alexis? Ms. Davis should definitely take a page out of Tracy’s mature style book! LOL….P.S. Just a thought, but do you think one of the reasons Alexis constantly has to flash her cleavage is to detract from her strangely-taut forehead? If you look closely, she has an almost glazed-over, hypnotic gaze that refuses to budge. Disturbing.

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    Timmm replied

    Tracy may be acting more mature but I think some of it has to do with she doesnt exactly know what is going on yet. She is being compassionate with Luke and I love it but once Nick takes over ELQ and somehow Ned will be leaving PC, I think Tracy will go on a war path!

    Shay replied

    @Timmm….I do agree with that notion. Poor Tracy has been off her game for far too long. This whole Fluke thing has really thrown her for a loop! But I believe that she shall soon regain her sense of equilibrium once this Puke nonsense is dealt with once and for all….and Ned’s departure will kick her into overdrive since it’s apparent that “Mikey” is a complete disaster…he isn’t even capable of choosing a suitable nanny for his baby “sister,” let alone fighting for the control of ELQ.

  17. Dee says:

    I guess if this is his exit, OK, but I really don’t like it. The Soap I self is going beneath itself. The writers let Old Ass Women have one night sex, no protection and look I’m pregnant and then lie about it. OMG, gimme a break. Nobody can be happy, you gotta have sex to solve your problems. SAD SAD SAD

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  18. Rebecca1 says:

    I think it’s a realistic look at mental illness…and makes sense that Luke’s still tormented by his dark side. I also think, as I mentioned above and on other posts, that by explaining the fragmented side of Luke it brings clarity and forgiveness to his character’s less than savory deeds…as in attacking Laura. Well done, GH!

    I also love seeing Bobby and Scotty. They’re so much a part of the history of GH…hope they get more screen time. Particularly, Scott. Love that ornery, good -hearted goofball!

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    Rose replied

    I think you have a really good point re:you thoughts on ” get this off screen” in a previous thread. I know it’s nice to have a place to vent and give our opinions. But sometimes there are those who can be too judgmental about others, and then get a little defensive when, in turn, they are called out on it. And we all I know is that it’s a tough world out there when it comes to your looks, especially for those in the entertainment business. I just don’t like that kind of criticism.

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    Rebecca1 replied

    Thanks, Rose, you are definitely on the mark sbout those judgmental types who dish it out but can’t take it. Your innocent post about the different sensibilities of 20 something’s had one quite
    Defensive and up in arms…though she later backed down. Hasn’t stopped her comments though…the latest was Alexis and her ” over the hill cleavage.” In this posters mind that’s okay to say…and doesn’t seem to realize or care that there are women over 40 on this site who might find that kind if comment insulting on soooo many levels…yet took offense when you made an observation about people in her demographic…smh…

    Whadaya gonna do…it’s a microcosm of the world at large…

    Til next thread!

    rebecca1 replied

    Thank you, Rose. One of “those who can be too judgmental” took offense at the post you wrote regarding your thoughts on people in their 20s…she was quite taken aback and let you know how offensive it was for you to insinuate things about people in her demographic. Same person keeps saying Alexis is “too old” to want sex, have sex, or show her “over the hill” cleavage. She and her bud on here proceed on many posts to disparage any age, look, weight, etc that offends their sensibilities.

    For me, this site is like a book club…where ideally we’d all “sit” around and discuss the story, characters, relationships, etc. I can’t imagine tearing apart someone’s looks, deciding what he or she should be doing because of age, etc….

    Thanks again for your comment. Nice to know there are mature, kind people out here!

    Rebecca1 replied

    Double post hate that! ;)

  19. Patrick says:

    SIDEBAR: could it be that Silas.. has “kidnapped” Avery ? to take to Ava?

    yes, let it be, YES

    imagine Ava bonding with the baby…. and “miraculously”, like every denizen in PC

    Ava uses “her” get out of jail free… and comes home w/Silas… with romance and child

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    Mary SF replied

    Yes, I think Silas took Avery– I think he didn’t “mercy kill” Ava, but put her to sleep, and while she is out, he will take bone marrow from Avery, and use it to put Ava’s cancer into remission. He knows it is against Ava’s wishes, so he saying things that sound like he is going with her plan, but he is really going with his plan, to use Avery’s marrow to save Ava. Still haven’t figured out how they will get Ava off for killing Connie or how Silas will get out of trouble for hiding Ava all this time– but I’m sure they will because they have to be around when they finally reveal Kiki isn’t Ava’s daughter but Nina’s.

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    Patrick replied

    “I” just got thru, watching : thursdays’ EP: yeah, it’s late friday

    I wept, “openly” : about, Silas and Ava

    Ava : “let’s get this show on the road”

    I totally agree, with you MarySF : that dna and or bone marrow is, going, to curttail, and/or REMISSion Aves:

    how good is that… with ME’ acting

    this is what serial’s ; are

    god: sorry about that…

    Michelle Stafford : Phyllis or Nina?

    no change… she’s Nina’ing it

    when she’s with Roger Howarth AND Dr. O’s (Kathleen Gati)

    how good is, that ?

    a troupe of good actors acting

    Nina, showing signs of Phyllis… why not… she has to

    backboning it
    sexy
    on fire
    targeting

    alot

    Chad Duell, “i’m sorry, your not acting it”

    go with Sabrina… I simply adore LOVE her present

    ROGER HOWATH “is”: SEXY : how about that… HOT

    Jaklyn Zemean is carrying Fluke
    I have to say: Rebecca Herbst, is carrying “Jake Doe”
    Tyler Christopher, is on command

    let me say… Hayden… don’t let up don’t you dare : tough this out… playa … play your cards right… Rebecca Buddig… good for her.. bringing old recipe and serial command

    I think there’s more

    men bring it

    Nikolas, Ned, Franco,

    geez! i’m loving it

    DAYS; i’m missing it… Baseball season is on… I don’t like to binge watch… 8 eps behind… but DAYS is still MY – SHOW -

    yeah
    GH
    sputters but tongs… always their

    LOL

    thanks

    Patrick replied

    ME : continue to wear blue shirts

    with your blue eyes
    and dark, hair

    sexy

    Patrick replied

    you know… it’s true

    i get caught up in sports, news

    and i get by the wayside

    GH : i watch to keep up and associate with you too

    DAYS : “hey” i let go by the wayside… understand

    so… to see Peggy McKay nominated is happy superlative ongoing bliss

    i’m happy

    CeeCee replied

    As I said way in the beginning, Patrick….we saw the two vials Silas showed Kiki. He told her he was going to test the blood to give Avery a clean bill of health. What I think happened was that he tested the blood against Ava’s. Once he made sure that the baby was indeed a match, he absconded with Avery.
    Of course, there is always the off chance that Nina has her….definitely not Michael. Then again, the writers are sneaky. But, I think Silas took her. It is the only explanation that makes sense. He certainly wasn’t going to stand by and let Ava die.
    Perhaps there’s a romance brewing…love revisited; re-born, if you will, for these two. I am anxious to see how Ava’s fate will unfold.

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  20. bill0 says:

    I’m not so sure Tony is nearing his swan song. TPTB are probably setting up his long summer retreat at his home in Amsterdam.

    As for the turn the Luke/Fluke story took, there are some major holes that were never explained – namely how long ago did Luke meet Julian Jerome in Witness Protection? That one sticks in my craw. Otherwise, I think it was a wise choice to switch from the “Fluke is Bill Eckert” reveal to it being Luke all along. It enabled the writers to create a real context for Luke’s behavior throughout his icon 38 year history on the show, particularly the rape of Laura. Geary always seemed to want to put that in a real context – even if they couldn’t unring the “Laura married her rapist” bell. They tried a couple of times (the best was when he explains it to Lucky), but it ultimately seemed like he was still justifying his actions. Now it makes more sense.

    Kudos to Ron Carlivati and Frank Valentini for having the balls to push the envelope with this stuff. It’s not your typical soap opera stuff, that’s for sure. it’s one reason I think GH has been able to avoid the fate that befell All My Children and One Life to Live.

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  21. Charday says:

    I thought all agreed later that it was “seduction” and not rape. Didn’t that come out years later?

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    CeeCee replied

    I watched the clip, entitled…LUKE RAPES LAURA, Charday. (Love your name, btw).
    I emphatically say that was rape…not seduction. Laura screamed ‘NO’ several times…crying. What I watched was definitely rape.
    Isn’t Luke much, much older than Laura? She was a baby compared to him.
    Ewwww, I feel my skin crawl. I wish I hadn’t watched it….Sadly, I can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

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    Charday replied

    Yes, perhaps initially the writers wrote it as rape, but years later the writers changed it to seduction (at least that’s what I recall).

    Michael (not Fairman) replied

    Well, Gloria Monty tried to recast it as a seduction in the years shortly after. (Disclaimer: I watched the scene back when it was originally aired. It wasn’t a seduction. It was rape. I don’t see how it could have been characterized as anything else, but that was one of the things I didn’t like about Gloria Monty.) I’m not sure whether “all agreed” or not, but for years, that (i.e., seduction) was how it was treated (whitewashed). They either didn’t want to figure out, or they weren’t up to the task of figuring out, how you reconcile this love story (fueled by incredible on-screen chemistry between Genie and Tony; even as much as I hated the story, I certainly saw and acknowledged that part) with its ugly beginning.

    But somewhere in the 2000s, during the Guza years, and at the suggestion/urging of former staff writer Michele ValJean who (as I understand it) is a rape survivor, it was revisited, and it was definitely not characterized as seduction. And they did it in a way that it finally (kind of) made sense. The writing was there, and Genie really sold it (Tony was great, as always, but it was Genie’s performance that gave the “explanation” credibility, I thought). I myself was very glad—it finally let me embrace Laura and Luke as a couple because I finally understood how she could love him despite what he did to her. (It wasn’t a perfect explanation, by any means, but at least the show was being honest about what it was and trying to reconcile it with the love story.) Not sure how long-term and die-hard Luke-and-Laura fans felt about it, though.

    Even back when Monty was dancing as fast as she could and trying to sell it as a seduction, there were plenty of people who weren’t willing to buy into it. I do remember that. I still think the refusal to deal with it honestly resulted in some sick, sick television, and I found a lot of 80s GH unwatchable because of it. (I remember soap magazine stories in the mid-80s about how Tony Geary would go to fan events and encounter hordes of women screaming “Rape me, Luke! Rape me!” How sick is that, and how sick is it that a television show fed into that kind of sickness?) But they had an onscreen pairing with incredible chemistry, as I said, whose story was drawing incredible ratings, and I guess they decided to take the safer route of trying to rewrite it, because actually dealing with it would have been much riskier.

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    CeeCee replied

    Thank-you, Michael. We have a meeting of the minds.

  22. west virgina fan says:

    I want to see Luke 1 (good Luke}with a bonnet on his head tied up on the railroad tracks while Fluke twiets his long pointy mustache.

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    sonniorsolita replied

    Thank you for this great visual image and big laugh to end my day!

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  23. Harry says:

    “Luke battles himself”? I hope he cannibalizes himself. God, I am sick of Luke and his naval gazing. Please know this comes from a fan who has idolized this character and the actor who plays him for thirty-five years.
    This story is a complete and total defilement of Luke and Laura and clearly, it was written to please Tony Geary who has made it no secret that he detests soaps and the Luke and Laura supercouple craze.
    I am more than happy to usher Tony to the exit door while welcoming Genie Frances to the entrance door. See? I want Laura back but not as an accessory to Luke, but as her own person. Her story is not finished while Luke’s was finished well over a year ago. Stick a fork in him–he’s done.

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    Timmm replied

    Harry, what story would Laura tell? I dont see her as anything other than Lukes wife and her kids mom. I dont mean that to be sexist, I’m just asking how would you write her and make her interesting without being attached to Luke?

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    CeeCee replied

    I can answer that, Timmm. She is Nikolas Cassadine’s mother. She has history in PC. I would think she’d be able to hold her own, no?
    Perhaps my opinion is neither here nor there…you guys are the experts. Just a thought.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Harry…in what way does this defile Luke and Laura. If anything, it explains his aggression, while not denying that he loved her. History is history. In fiction and reality. That doesn’t mean the REASONS for the history can’t be changed, explained or understood.

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    nancy dillingham replied

    You got that right, Harry! A “complete defilement of Luke and Laura.” I’m also a 35+ watcher of the L and L story.

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  24. Iakovos says:

    I am glad to see this story deal with repercussions after the biog reveal April 1. Mr. Geary comes and goes so I guess he will go for treatment, perhaps returning this fall as a better and healed man. The character Luke may not be forefront anymore on wild adventures, but he exists as part of the GH core and has great value, even in short-term tales. A making-amends story line would be welcome. True redemption? And yes, you must figure Laura into the mix here.

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    Rebecca1 replied

    Good post, Iakovos. So true…b

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  25. Timmm says:

    Ladies, feel free to chime in. I would NEVER take advantage of a girl without her being 100 percent on board. GH is a soap. Way back when, Luke “Raped” Laura at the Campus Disco. Was it rape? Was it young lust? Did she want nothing to do with him? Did she press charges? They ran off together and had this amazing young life and this monumental wedding. Was it all based on rape? If a women is raped does she fall in love with her rapist? Does she convince herself that MAYBE she was an interested party after all? Does she discount rape and tell herself that it was unwanted sex that turned into an acceptable experience that turned into love? ALL heavy questions but I’m just wandering what you all think and what conclusion you come up with.

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    su0000 replied

    Good gawd!
    the rape thing was 3 decades ago.. let it go..
    I was told by my soap addict neighbor that back in that soap era ALL the soaps had rape stories and usually by the stars.. Rape was soap popular.
    ( and NEVER REAL , just a story – nobody was actually raped to get so ballistic over it just make believe.

    I really am in awe watching Tony in this/his story..
    it is riveting and I like the journey through the past….
    How unusual for a soap story..
    ( a story made for Tony- only he could master this story..

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    su0000 replied

    ooops forget;
    It is all in peoples minds by their own personal lives as to rape or not..
    Some are very touchy personal over it, a make believe rape, others just watched the story unfold ..
    (but soap popular back then..

    CeeCee replied

    Hahahahaha. Oh, su. I don’t know whether to slap my knew and roar with laughter, or cry. “Rape was soap popular”. Good grief, girl…I’m speechless, which is hard to believe….I’m never speechless. Let me take a deep breath….one, two, three…okay, now….
    We are all aware no one is actually raped on the soaps, Su. It is the concept, we are discussing. It is the principle which makes me go ballistic. Luke raped Laura…there are no two ways about it, ifs or buts. It cannot be dismissed, neatly wrapped and send it somewhere, posthaste, via FEDERAL EXPRESS. Was he punished for it? I do not know. Ask your neighbor. I don’t think I was born yet.

    Would it be possible that Geary was hired by GH for a short stay? …..that he would disappear , to prison or parts unknown, afterwards? Would it be possible that TPTB decided to keep the character, and Luke’s only redemption would have been for Laura to fall in love with him? Convenient !! Maybe?
    Rape is rape….not a fad, or passing fancy, Su. Nothing popular about it.
    It may be a soap, but , it seems to me, the writers made light of it, swept it under the rug, and did not pursue it. Did they? I will read further into the backstory.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Timmm…I think you’ve got to be careful when you post that type of question. If you’re referring only to the story of Luke And Laura and curious about what really transpired that’s one thing. But to ask if a woman is raped does she fall in love with her rapist, unwanted sex that turned into an acceptable experience and then to love….hopefully none of us will ever experience that horrific violent crime. I don’t think any female..or male…could ever answer those questions other than to say a resounding NEVER! If anyone did fall in love with their rapist I would assume they were emotionally traumatized…of course…and hopefully under psychological care.

    CeeCee replied

    All of the above, Timmm. That is a very conscientious piece of writing on your part. I respect and admire your sensitivity.
    Some questions cannot be answered….especially when feelings and emotions come into play.
    I just find it hard that the writers picked Geary, who is fifteen years older than Genie, to be the Luke character. This was not young love…he could be her father.
    Nonetheless, it apparently turned into love, albeit psychology does play a part in this. I suppose it’s a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

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    su0000 replied

    CeeCee.. hi P)
    Yes, as I said rape was soap popular in that era..
    1960 and 1970s there were rape plots and from mid 60′s to
    1978-1981 there were *19 different rape stories..

    it was the era of the anti-rape movement and the different degrees and clarity of definition of rape, at the time..
    the plots offered ambiguous messages about rape.. making a point that women were blameless in rape..
    (luv google lol) and every soap had their big rape stories and they were usually committed by the good actors who could bring the emotions to screen..
    they were many types of rapes in the soaps then, so ya popular stories..

    Shay replied

    I respect what you are saying, CeeCee…as far as the legal definition of a sex crime being committed against Laura’s person by Luke, you are absolutely right, and I totally concur, although that aspect was never brought to fore in this historical happening-instead it was the underlying motivation,precursory circumstances and emotional fallout surrounding this explosive and perhaps, even exploitative, bombshell plot. As I have said, I was probably too young to understand all the ramifications of the resulting brouhaha that GH encountered due to this singular event. I certainly never viewed Luke as any sort of sex symbol (before or after this pivotal moment)….he was far, far too old for me and not particularly appealing, in my book, but he had a certain charm and charisma that compensated for his lack of physical gifts, and the fact that Laura eventually forgave him and found him worthy of her love made him redeemable in others’ eyes, as well. However, that does not in any way make his actions excusable to me personally, and I do want to make that crystal clear….I simply wished to fill in the blanks as I perceived them at the time, since in those days of soap storytelling, there was far more subtext-and details-available than we shall ever hope to receive in this modern era. To view a brief clip of the actual dance floor incident really does not do that arc justice because so much drama came before it, and needless to say, subsequent to it….for decades to come. Quite frankly, since the show runners decided to re-open this can of worms, I would like to see a stand-alone episode or two of Luke and his shrink examining the numerous watershed moments in his GH life, complete with vintage flashbacks, so that newer fans can better comprehend the saga of this motley miscreant, and how and what led him to his present day incarnation, especially since the current writers haven’t a prayer of adequately explaining his “journey” in their abridged mode. Furthermore, while I describe Laura as a confused teenager with mixed feelings about her “attack” (and “attacker”) I’m not saying that she wasn’t victimized….I just feel that she refused to take on that wronged woman status because she did harbor prior deepening feelings for Luke—which grew exponentially after this point—and despite the legend that she was this “angel” knocked from her vaunted pedestal by Spencer, the truth is that she was probably nearly as mixed up and damaged in her psyche as Luke was, even though their coupling was sold as a “good girl-bad boy” one. Hence, he truly did not defile a pure, innocent creature in the way most of today’s viewers have been led to assume….rather, you had two broken individuals who—at least for a good while—found comfort and salvation in each other before they experienced their own precipitous downfalls.

    CeeCee replied

    Thanks, Shay…I completely understand what you are saying and respect your insight.
    I did say that Laura falling for Luke; her forgiveness and her own self-recriminations, all contributed to the making of a redeemed Luke.
    Nonetheless, what re-enforces my disgust is the fact that she was so young; not coImpletely aware of her own being…who she really was. By the same token, Luke was a much older man, and, to the public eye, he did take advantage. That is my contention with the writers.
    Should I believe what Su says?…..that, back in the day, ‘rape storylines’ was the in-thing to do?
    I do appreciate your last sentence….heavy stuff. I guess when the same struggles exist within people, regardless of age, family backgrounds and beliefs; they do gravitate toward each other.
    I just still believe it was rape. If I had not watched the clip, I would probably have not have been so adamant. But, I cannot ‘ unsee’ it or ‘unhear ‘ what I heard.

    I do certainly know that you do not take rape lightly. You are a woman, afterall. I realize that you are speaking from Laura’s and the writers’s point of view.

    We hear this on the NEWS all the time. How some College girls are raped, and said institutions silence the crime. It bothers me to no end how most of the perpetrators get away with it. You know what I mean?
    Somehow, it’s the girls’s fault, or they lied. Thank goodness, times are a’changing.
    Later, Shay-girl.

    Shay replied

    Well, well, CeeCee, this thread has everything from soup to nuts covered, doesn’t it? (Emphasis on NUTS!) On one hand, we are making a concerted, conscientious effort to discuss at length a deeply serious topic and on the other, well, all I can say is I was laughing uproariously at some of the comments that followed here…I’m sure you can ascertain which were which. As for Su’s assertion that back in the day we were treated to rape stories galore, I don’t know about that. There were probably some before L&L, but I wasn’t watching them. After the fact, I do recall a few, although they certainly weren’t played for romance or because they seemed de rigueur…they were dealt with respectfully and sensitively. (I’m thinking of the characters of Sunny-the fabulous Marcia McCabe—on Search For Tomorrow, Eden-Marcy Walker—on Santa Barbara and Caroline-Joanna Johnson—on Bold and the Beautiful. There were undoubtedly others, too, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind, as I really didn’t hit my soap viewing stride until the mid to late ’80′s.) However, I do agree with you that the age gap between Luke and Laura should have been a much bigger issue than it was….I have to say that I put it down to Genie Francis’ immense talent, poise and maturity that it was overlooked….she was such a bright light as Laura, and because of the sunshine she brought to her role, Luke’s more negative, unsavory aspects and darkness were eclipsed by her shining star…by the time those two were on the run from Frank Smith, their fate as THE soap supercouple of all time was well on its way to that of legend. (Since you like to check out the old GH clips, look for their “Fascination” dance routine in the deserted department store….much more pleasant than the one which took place in the disco!) Once you view that, you will perhaps get a better idea of the magic that later transpired between them….that was but one special moment….along with, of course, their wedding. Have you ever seen that episode or flashbacks from it? All I can say is that while those examples may not erase the ugliness of their first intimate encounter for you, they do provide a far different perspective on the couple….and especially Luke. To see him now as the debauched, dehumanized demon he has been portraying as of late is a vastly different proposition than the quirky, poodle-permed anti-hero many of us grew up watching…so very sad, but true! Anyway, hope you made it back to Southampton in one piece after your little Vineyard excursion…it sounded like fun, but hey, I like the cold water beach experience!

    Shay replied

    @Timmm….Where Laura was concerned, I always believed that while her mind may have said no, her body said yes to Luke. There was absolute chemistry between the two of them almost from the beginning, she knew that Spencer had a soft spot for her—even though his sister Bobbie detested and tormented her—and she used the fact he was besotted with her to the extent that she accepted a waitress job at the Campus Disco despite being under-aged. At the time, Laura was stuck in an unfulfilling, financially-troubled marriage to Scotty, so she was familiar with the ways of the world….hence, while she may have been young and immature, she was hardly an innocent….she was a beguiling ingénue who took advantage of Luke’s infatuation with her. Does that mean that he should have had his way with her on that dance floor? Of course not, but this was not a cut and dried case of a man simply attacking a woman and taking what he wanted. There were most definitely nuances to this situation….Laura did (maybe unknowingly) put out the romantic vibes to Luke, forbidden as they were, and while he obviously responded in a wholly unacceptable manner, there were mutual feelings of fondness, not to mention confusion, and culpability on both sides. Troubling, perhaps, but that’s how the legendary love of Luke and Laura began, at least from my perspective….hardly ideal, but not as sinister and sordid as it sounds.

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    Timmm replied

    I agree with you Shay. the word rape is such a strong word and for the two of them who fell in love, your right, its sounds more sinister in their case than the word Implies.

    The Substitute replied

    Well according to Gloria Monty years ago on a talk show she said all women fantasied about being raped. It was also reported that at fan events where Geary would be that women fans would stand up and yell Rape me Luke. Sick right!

    Harry replied

    I am just going to stay out of this one.
    I can’t do it.

    CeeCee replied

    I may not be as wise as you guys, but, regardless of what nuances her body manifested or what her eyes told…. Laura said NO. I took a semester of VIOLENCE UPON WOMEN/MEN. We cannot change the definition of rape, at will.
    What Luke did was rape. In a courtroom setting, ‘NO’ is what a jury hears. When a woman says NO, whether she means it or not, it is rape…..in Laura’s case, I heard her scream. What else does one need to call it rape!!!???
    Harry….I will follow your lead….. I don’t know what to say. With all due respect to Shay and Timmm. You know how much I love and respect you guys . Just a difference of opinion.

    PS. …..on ferry again…returning home. Sorry for typos….. Bad reception, too. Later.

    CeeCee replied

    We actually attended a bridal shower on MV. ….best time of year to visit….no crowds !!!

    Anyway, it boggles the mind how such a catastrophe (Luke raping Laura) turns into such a love story. I know people who still talk about Luke and Laura….the IT couple. The most memorable TV wedding ever, or so everyone says.
    Has there ever been another couple such as this?
    Sadly, I only know Luke as a miscreant and as Hannibal Lecter….LOL.
    So, I will always remember him thus.

    I hope the moderators won’t mind, but, I would like to share…..Shay, Rosalba walked all by herself today….yeayyyyy. No help from Mommy.

    Shay replied

    @Timmm…..Because I was a very young, new (and mainly summer) GH viewer at approximately the same time this “event” took place, I went back to read the synopsis of this specific scenario, and as Fanny so correctly pointed out above, Luke was drunk when his darker side emerged on that most fateful evening in GH history. As I also re-discovered, he was in full belief that his life was about to end, since he was expected by his mob boss Frank Smith to carry out a hit on Tracy’s (as in Quartermaine….) politician hubby, Mitch Williams, who had done an about face on the organization that helped him get where he wanted to be. However, since Luke was reluctant to follow these kill orders, he was convinced that he would be eliminated in Williams’ place, and so was feeling both very depressed and desperate in his yearning for his object of affection. I won’t get into any more details, but it would seem that there were a number of extenuating, foreshadowed life-altering circumstances that led to that watershed event which ultimately launched the Luke and Laura phenomenon. Also, the future Mrs. Spencer was not the innocent baby that some have been led to believe….she had already had a checkered past….including a stint in a commune and a dalliance with another much older man—David Hamilton—who she accidentally murdered, hence, she had a criminal record before she ever encountered Luke. I know all of this background info still doesn’t excuse Spencer’s unforgiveable behavior, but it does at least put into perspective the circumstances surrounding this sensational storyline. By the way, for the record, I found nothing in your initial line of questioning to this topic to be improper or untoward….you have always struck me as a true gentlemen and your post was worded in a most respectful and careful manner.

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    Timmm replied

    Thank you Shay and I respect your knowledge and wisdom.

    Rebecca1 replied

    I stand by my original comment. Speaking strictly about Laura ‘s mindset…good question as to the dynamics of Luke and Laura. Broadening the question to how do ” women” feel after being raped…does she fall in love with her rapist…etc…is a very eyebrow raising question…unless asking a mental health professional about a specific case. I would hope that everyone knows rape is a violent act and I would doubt anyone would fall for her/his rapist. Might I add I realize you had no mal intent…

    CeeCee replied

    You are so very right, Shay. I love and admire Timmm for the true gentleman he is and for his sensitive and respectful nature toward women. I have said as much in an earlier post. No truer words have been spoken.

    If only I weren’t married……KIDDING PEOPLE !!!!!!!! I am crazy in love with my husband…LOL.

    Rebecca1 replied

    lol.

    Rebecca1 replied

    Just in case my lol gets posted…I hit send too soon. I just find Shay and CeeCee hilarious in their attempts to dispute everything I say. I’m glad you guys are having fun! I find it not only obvious but very amusing…

    Shay replied

    @Timmm….You are most welcome, and thank you for your response! Despite the flip remarks regarding my compliments to you, please know they were honestly intended with the greatest of sincerity. This was not the first time you posted thoughts that impressed upon me in such a favorable manner…I always enjoy reading your comments!

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    CeeCee replied

    Same here, Shay and Timmm. Beside the fact that our posts were written well before another certain person. One of my complimentary comments to Timmm, which he deserves, was written on the 16th, so I do not understand how we try to undermine anyone’s comments….I don’t even read them…but, they keep popping up in my inbox. Not important in my life.
    I love these sites and as always, I cannot thank Mr. Fairman enough. I have learned so much from you….no one is going to RAIN ON MY PARADE…..(song from FUNNY GIRL)…. LOL. I was actually Fanny Brice at the local theater/conservatory…now, isn’t that out of context?

    rebecca1 replied

    CeeCee; I wish we had a neatly organized chain of events of this animosity and how it all began which was you attacking me because I liked the Nina/Ava storyline. You attacked and asked if I liked babies being hurt or something to that effect. You’ve done the same to other posters…intermingling real life with TV…evidenced when you recently told some poster that you didn’t like cheating and if your husband cheated on you….etc, etc…tow which he replied he didn’t have a “personal opinin…he was just talking about a soap…a TV show. Youve done this with several people..questioning their morals if they like a storyline. Usually, you apologize after. You didn’t with me and it escalated.

    Shay enjoyed our very real argument..told me how much it amused her and how we were each “holding our own” as we slung insults at each other…I told her while it may have been amusing it really wasn’t funny. She then went on to express her enjoyment at a sarcastic comment you threw at me courtesy of your husband…

    And so it began. You two can and do continue to make ageist comments particularly about Alexis. As I’ve said before, it’s a soap. I’m notdefending “Alexis” but what she represents. Nancy Grahan is a woman over fifty, so whether you insult her “over the hill cleavage” and insinuate she’s too old to be so sexual and she should be home knitting…you’re insulting woman of a certain age. When Shay ridicules Bobby’s face…it’s acdtually Jackie Zeman’s. So again, your “fun” is based, many times, on insulting a REAL person playing a fictiitious character.

    Of course you two are entitled to be as judgemental, insulting and negative as you like. And I am entitled to be completely in opposition to such “mean girl” nasty comments, and express my opinion.

    Timmm posed a question regarding rape. I explained that the way it was phrased could be misconstrued…albeit I didin’t and still don’t think he meant any harm in his question. I pointed out that no female, to whom the question was posted, can explain what goes on int hem ind of a woman who was raped but that ist surely woudn’t be to fall in love with their rapist etc,…unless there were psychologiacal ramifications that should be addressed by a menatl health professional. As for Luke and Laura…intersting question.

    Shay then went on to say AFTER I posted, not before:

    “By the way, for the record, I found nothing in your initial line of questioning to this topic to be improper or untoward….you have always struck me as a true gentlemen and your post was worded in a most respectful and careful manner.” Since no one implied otherwise, that was in reference to my comment to Timmm.

    As for you and Shay not reading my posts, it is obvioius that you do. I wrote to Substitute after you told her to basically disregardmy comments…I then wrote to her to explain the animosity…you then wrote to her AGAIN and implied things I never even wrote! Did I say she shouldn’t express her opinons? No. Did I say you influenced her opinions? No. Go back and read what you wrote…total disconnecdt from what I wrote to her.

    Of course I’ve noticed the ridiculous comments you and Shay pass to each other re me. It really is like being in school and the two of you passing notes.

    As foryou getting any correspondence from me in your personal email…I’ve explained this more than once but apparently you need to hear it again…

    No one here writes direcdtly to anyone. No one here has anyone’s personal email. Whatever you get in your inbox is from this site. Thus, if I responded on the same thread and it’s near your comment…or in the past when we’ve mentioned each other by name…that post will wind up in your inbox. It doesn’t come from me! LOL…

    I do hope this gets posted. It’s so beyond ridiculous…

  26. David says:

    I wish Frank had cast Erika Slezak as the lost Spencer sister (ES even LOOKS like Dee Wallace) as a nod to her own never ending DID woes as Viki/Niki/Jean/Tommy/etc. As for Geary, it is ludicrous NOT to bring back Laura for an arc. Luke could get better if Laura was there because NO ONE knew him better.

    Reply

    nancy dillingham replied

    Yes, David—no one knew him better.

    Reply

  27. Timmm says:

    I think Erika is such an icon they didnt bring her in for that reason. Dee did a wonderful job. She was only on a couple episodes and fans couldnt stop talking about her. Frank did the right thing. I personally enjoy Luke and Tracy and am over Laura.

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  28. su0000 says:

    ok-
    1960 and 1970s there were rape plots..
    then-
    1978-1981 there were *19 different rape stories in the soaps..(google)
    I do have to say- Luke and Laura’s was the very best of the lot….

    it was the era of the anti-rape movement and the different degrees and clarity of definition of rape, at the time.. And all soaps did a good job with stories..
    At that time rape stories were popular.. Then they faded away.. I don’t believe the sopas do rape stories any longer, dunno for sure..

    I watched the rape scene on youtube and their very hot sensual sailboat seduction after..
    It seemed to be a great story and notable acting..

    Reply

    CeeCee replied

    Su…it was RAPE, not seduction….she said no. And, if Laura were under age….the word ‘seduction’ would be moot…it would be called statutory rape.
    Nothing hot about rape.
    Let’s not glorify it or glamorize it. Let’s call a spade what it is.
    Su, girl. I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this subject. We seem to be on opposite sides of the boxing rink…LOL.

    Reply

    su0000 replied

    Dear CeeCee..
    I said I watched the rape and after that I watched the hot seduction scene on the sail boat..
    It was two different things..
    Yes she was raped, but soon after they were on the sailboat and it was was not rape but a very seductive sexy love making stuff..

    CeeCee replied

    @su.
    Thank you, Su.
    I suppose I should not speak on this subject any more because I am not well-versed on it. I know next to nothing, except for that small clip.
    You seem to be right, in that , it was not a big deal back then? My parents deal with this horrible crime, in the courtroom , on almost a daily basis. They are officers of the court, and not allowed to discuss it. But, the news, say it all.
    I just would like to know the psychology behind it….if the writers educated themselves on this very delicate and sensitive subject….from what I have gleaned; they did not.
    Later, girl.

    Shay replied

    @CeeCee…Just to add a few more details on this matter: I believe that there was a “technical advisor” in the form of a social worker or some such person who worked in the “rape crisis” field during the creation of the L&L scene, but that was many moons ago when the issue and its depictions and discussion were far less evolved than today. Also, I would never imply that this controversial episode was not a “big deal” back then…I’m sure there was plenty of criticism, otherwise Gloria Monty would not have had to defend and “re-define” the event for so long after the fact….the public was just not so exposed to such brouhahas due to the lack of immediacy and intimacy in the mass media like we have today, plus there was the notion that this topic was not that widely broached in polite society in decades past. But I’m positive there were both groups and individuals who voiced their disapproval with this storyline…. just like they did whenever other hot button themes were introduced into plots of both daytime and primetime programming. As I said, I was simply not that aware because of my tender age and casual soap viewing status during that point in my life…..I was just beginning to watch the occasional afternoon serials here and there, and let’s just say my interest in this particular genre was not exactly encouraged by my parents who felt my attention could be more productively focused elsewhere! LOL.

    CeeCee replied

    @Shay.
    Thank you. I really feel much better about this subject.
    Actually, I was discussing the topic with my mother…Lo and behold! She said almost the same thing as you…how things of this nature were kept hush-hush etc.
    Did I tell you lately that I love you. How can that be, you ask? I don’t need a face to attach affinity, trust, kindness, friendship and overall simpatia. Later, girl.

    Shay replied

    @CeeCee…..Awwww…Thank you for your truly lovely sentiments….they are most appreciated! Needless to say, you are quite welcome for any soap background information/recollections I’ve been able to provide to help you glean a better understanding of this particularly perplexing chapter in GH history….sharing such details with one another is just one of the many aspects that makes this website such a rewarding place to visit. Well, that and the fact that despite the regular bashings we take for the flip quips we trade, we also have some very substantive discussions on serious subjects….Accordingly, I would be remiss were I not to add, I immensely relish both types of our back-and-forth musings….in equal measure! (Even though it’s a real shame that we cannot simply enjoy ourselves without those certain detractors who can’t “see the glee” in our more glib observations…..) However, regardless of these occasionally negative moments, my time spent at MFSoaps has been a generally delightful experience…..I’ve encountered some profoundly endearing, interesting and intelligent souls….too many to mention by name—they already know who they are—but you, CeeCee, my friend, are in a class by yourself….you’re just the most fun-loving, big-hearted and enthusiastic—yet also deeply expressive, inquisitive and perceptive—-sort to come along in quite some time. You are an absolute treat and treasure, and to say that we hit it off is an understatement….I always look forward to your thought-provoking responses…they even make the blind replies in my inbox worth the risk of opening in the event of yet another torrent of unpleasantness…and that is high praise indeed, given some of the posts to which we’ve recently been subjected. LOL. What more can I say other than we definitely fit that description best referred to as a “mutual admiration society?”

  29. CeeCee says:

    @ Substitute.
    All women fantasize being raped? For goodness sake, that is the most horrific generalization ever made.!!!!!!!!!!!! These people who consider themselves experts are actually incompetent.
    I am a woman….never once have I ever fantasizes being raped as something thrilling. I hope I will never be in that predicament. Perhaps a handful of women crave being raped? Never heard of such desire. But, if such women do exist? Then, they are crazed out of their minds. There is something psychologically wrong with them. Rape is and always has been a most vile, violent crime.
    Such programs should not be aired…..disgusto!!!!!!

    Reply

    Jimh(leave it to beaver) replied

    I agree…its the most horrible experience ever…i should know…lets just say my childhood memories werent always happy ones!

    Reply

    CeeCee replied

    So sorry, jimh. But, you survived…that alone makes you blessed and a winner. …xxxxoooo.

    The Substitute replied

    I wish I could tell you how to get on line to see the show to be honest I erased the link that a friend sent me of it. It was before your time I think. Lol! It was a talk show where Gloria Monty, Genie Francis several others were on and Gloria Monty who was EP of GH then said it. Trust me the woman might have turned GH around but she was nasty on set and off it was a horrible thing to say she was trying to make Luke & Laura a super couple and she had to spin her story. Another thing as for me saying TG looked like a corpse I am sorry but he did laying in that bed and who told him canary yellow hair looked good. No I am not a fan of Mr. Geary’s work I think he is OTT most of the time as I feel about Roger Howarth/Franco my opinion only.

    Reply

    CeeCee replied

    Substitute, I completely agree with you. These actors/actresses are in the public eye. They put themselves out there; ridiculous yellow hair, unattractive, over-the-hill cleavage, plastic faces which look like patched-up old pieces of cloth……what do they expect? We are human, we react.
    It has nothing to do with ageism…we all age, but do it gracefully and with decorum. If these entertainers do not want criticism, then they should give good ‘face’….VOGUE, VOGUE..
    they do represent their networks, for goodness sake.
    As far as Luke? Don’t worry about it. He does look like a corpse, …I called Helena that, once.
    I know what you meant. It is your opinion…no apology necessary. I say, ignore it, Sub…!!!!!

    Rebecca1 replied

    Hi Substitute…

    You got caught in the crossfire between me vs CeeCee and Shay. They’ve developed a friendship on here. I’ve developed an animosity with them…which began when I’d had enough of comstant references to age, weight, plastic surgery, etc. part of the fun for them is ripping actors apart, and feel it is their invisible right, and I say invisible because it’s so easy to insult people when you’re invisible…just a name on a site.

    Some of the actors read these boards. To say constantly that Alexis is too old to be so sexual or crazy about a man, to say that she’s like a pig in heat or however Shay put it several post ago…to talk about Laura Wrights “amazon” build, Bobby should no longer be on the show because they don’t like looking at her…it goes on and on and on.

    If you feel that it’s all harmless fun…and agree wirh them, which perhaps many do, that’s certainly fine. Everyone’s entitled to express their opinion, observation, etc. For me, I always find judgmental comments, especially on EVERY post that certain people write…just grating.

    Geary did look horrible. I think because he actually was not well…he’d been in immense pain in real life and had back surgery. He was also made up to look tired, stressed, mentally unstable. Yellow hair. I have nutthin’ to excuse that… Lol… Best…

    su0000 replied

    LOL!
    Tony’s hair is gray.. a -white- grey..
    What type of tv do you have lol you really need to adjust the colors etc..
    Tony’s hair has absolutely no yellow lol .. just white..

    Rebecca1 replied

    You’re right, Su. If I remember correctly his hair, though occasionally yellow, was definitely white. Either way…he looked like he felt…pained, tired…maniacal….with help from the makeup dept. Bottom line? Great actor!

    Rebecca1 replied

    Oh…and just to prove my point…see the poster’s comment above: “over the hill cleavage.” Naaaaah…that’s not ageist.

    Shay replied

    @CeeCee….VOGUE, VOGUE, indeed, Girl!!!! You are so right when you point out that the individuals we critique have chosen to put themselves in the arena for public consumption, not to mention that they are all adults who apparently have decided the manner in which they present their respective images. It’s certainly not as if we were taking to the streets as self-appointed fashion/ beauty police to charge the private citizenry with personal violations!!!!

    Reply

    CeeCee replied

    Well, when a woman dresses in a way that attracts the wrong kind of attention, especially a woman who has lived a few years and should know better….then, the object of said attention is open for debate. It’s a free for all event. Alexis should not put herself out there.
    If she took a stroll on any street in NYC, she would not last a NY minute (lol) without lurid catcalls. I pride myself that I, as yourself, have the gumption to speak up.

    The Substitute replied

    @Su I was watching gthe scene of TG with yellow colored glasses that had to be it!

    Shay replied

    When you’re right, you’re right, CeeCee, and no amount of bullying will change my mind—or yours, either, I’d venture to say—on this subject. It truly does beggar belief that so much has been made out of the simple notion that we consider such a vulgar display of one’s self to be unacceptable. You would have thought we had committed a criminal act with all the insane fuss that has been demonstrated over our disgust with such appalling behavior. No decent woman in her right mind would parade around on any street in this country looking like that…nor even in France, as I recently saw that they are now going to require their “Ladies of the Evening” to cover up their wares, as they’ve become too risque’ even for that liberal nation. Guess Alexis won’t be taking a trip to Paris!

  30. The Substitute says:

    @Rebecca ok I will most definitely stay out of the war none of my business as far as JZ goes great actress wish she had not done as much work as she did. Why? She was perfectly fine before but this is Hollywood maybe before they go under the knife they should go visit our men and women who have been in combat and see what has happen to them no arms or legs faces blown up. Or visit a hosipital with babies born with birth defects then they just might think twice before they let a plastic surgeon start messing around. It makes me sad ! Now I will drop it and stay out of this in the future!

    Reply

    The Substitute replied

    As for NLG/Alexsis I think that she has a joke with everybody about her cleavage and that is the reason for a lot of her wardrobe it is more of a dry humor thing she has going!

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    Shay replied

    @The Substitute…..I do believe you could be right about that….either this is an ongoing inside joke, or NLG just loves the attention that her immodesty brings to her character. At any rate, were she so bothered by the negative responses to Alexis’ tacky wardrobe, I would have expected her to cover up those two “objects of contention” by now….as for your other comments, you had every right to join the conversation and state your opinion. Why should you have to refrain in the future? I say the more the merrier….and welcome to the party!

    Rebecca1 replied

    Hi Substitute…

    Thanks for getting back. You’re so right…when we look at the horrible tragedies in the world…from war to disease…people don’t realize how lucky they are until something devastating happens in their lives. That’s why I hate judgmental people/ comments…just so mean and unnecessary. As for these actors or anyone for that matter. To each his own; I don’t fault anyone for wanting to look more attractive…and I’m sure when the results aren’t good they’re upset enough without people mocking them. No one would choose to have botched surgery.

    As for Nancy, she just seems like such a bright, independent, quick-witted woman. She’s lamented in the past how GH hadn’t written romantic/sexual scenes for older women..and was thrilled they finally realized that and wrote story for her with Julian. Yet a few find it necessary on almost EVERY post to say she’s too old to be acting like that…etc. Just nasty, not to mention, ignorant when it comes down to women/ human sexuality.

    Okay. Off my pedestal! Have fun out here…see you on another thread and thanks!

    Shay replied

    @The Substitute….Then by all means, pull up a chair and let’s have some fun!!!!!! ; )

    CeeCee replied

    Substitute. You are wise in what you say.
    However, the war is one-sided. We are entitled to express how we feel. Yes? As long as the moderators find no fault with our posts, then I have license to say as I please, as does Shay and yourself. I have said this before. The moderators are there for a reason.
    I answered your comment, how could I have possibly influenced you?
    I will stick to my guns……..it is shameful for anyone to expose so much cleavage, especially when said cleavage becomes unattractive with age, or in a courtroom.
    Why were you brought into this? We were minding our own business, exchanging thoughts. I do not read her comments. But I do read yours. I love your comments, thoughts and ideas. Let’s just keep communicating, Sub….we have the right. Later.

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    The Substitute replied

    Okay I ‘M BACK!!!!!!! Just remember what Olympia Dukakis said to Dolly Parton in Steel Magnolias. If you can’t say anything nice about anybody come sit next to me. Everybody have a great day!!!

    Rebecca1 replied

    You really need help CeeCee. Please attempt to end your paranoia. You are the one, once again, who initiated the animosity with me. Substitute responded to my dislike of a comment referencing Luke as a corpse, and you basically told her to blow me off…forget her. Paraphrasing..

    And where did u read in anything I wrote that Sub or anyone should stop communicating with you..or that anyone is not allowed to express an opinion. did I write that? errrrr, no.

    Logic would dictate that you did and do read my comments by what you just wrote to Substitute, as well as you and Shay responding to everything I write by making a dig…talking about me with each other…and this is the best…implying I’m sending emails to your personal email address. Do you even realize that’s irrational? Do you not know that this site sends emails to our personal email address when someone responds directly or indirectly to a common thread? It’s ridiculous already. You teach in a school…but you act like you’re one of the students. Enough already.

    CeeCee replied

    @ Substitute.
    You are so right…LOL. That’s why I called you wise.

    rebecca1 replied

    LOL..Substitute. Don’t know how you found the perfect quote…but I have to admit…you did!

    CeeCee replied

    I know pain and I know joy, Substitute.
    Speaking of birth defects, my son was born with one chamber, which was hardly functioning. He died just before his first birthday. So, I know devastation. There is nothing more horrendous and painful than losing a child. So, I understand what you are saying.
    Your message is loud and clear…why go under the knife unnecessarily when there is so much strife in the world?
    Believe me. Boston Children’s Hospital was my home for months. Imagine my husband, a doctor, who was helpless to save his own son. That is terrorizing…that is gripping anguish. So I get your meaning.
    Good post, Substitute.

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