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70 September 1st, 2015 General Hospital’s Hayley Erin Talks On: A Betrayed Kiki, Saying Goodbye To Michael Easton, Her Co-Stars: Maura West & Bryan Craig!

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It’s not been a good several weeks, and that is putting it mildly, for the character of Kiki Jerome (Hayley Erin) on General Hospital.  First, her father Silas (Michael Easton) is murdered.  Then it is revealed that her believe-to-be dead mother Ava (Maura West) is actually alive and well, and masquerading as her aunt Denise.  Then her mother is arrested for the murder of Connie Falconeri and sent to jail.  Meanwhile, she learns that her boyfriend Morgan (Bryan Craig) has been sleeping with her mother behind her back, and who does she learn this information from … Franco (Roger Howarth)!

With so much drama going down, On-Air On-Soaps had to catch up for a much-needed chitchat with actress Hayley Erin.  We had the opportunity do so while attending the Television Academy cocktail reception honoring the daytime community late last week. The actress came on to the ABC daytime drama series in not the most enviable position: taking over the role from Daytime Emmy-winner and long-time soap opera darling, Kristen Alderson.  She was next charged with then putting her own stamp on a character that has often proved problematic for the audience, at times, to invest in.

In a delightful and frank conversation, Hayley shared her thoughts on all things Kiki including: working with her co-stars; the incomparable Maura West, Bryan Craig, and having to say farewell to the beloved Michael Easton.  Plus, Erin weighs-in on the new writing regime and what it could mean for her character, and where does Kiki go from here, now that her boyfriend and her mother have deeply betrayed her.  Here’s what Hayley had to say about it all!

So, what was your reaction when you found out that your on-screen father, Michael Easton (Ex-Silas) was being killed off, and it would spur a murder mystery whodunit?

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HAYLEY:  Ugh!  I was like “Ugh” literally that is what I said!  It was so emotional and I was upset.  I gave him a hard time for leaving me. (Laughs)  I took it personally.  He’s my on-screen dad!  But it made for a great storyline and there was a lot of great material for all of us.  So I guess, that is kind of the bright side … if there is one?  But Michael is dearly missed.  Michael is awesome!

Was it hard for you to play Kiki’s reaction to Denise being revealed to be her mother Ava Jerome (Maura West) alive and well in the courtroom scenes during the murder trial?

HAYLEY:  I was trying to think, “Did Kiki have any clue at all that this was Ava, or was it a complete shock?”  I just kind of went with, “It’s my mom. She’s alive.”  That was kind of all I had playing over and over in my head.  But then there is also the level of the absurdity of the situation, and so I tried to bring that into it too.  It was like “Denise? Ava?”  (Laughs)  Bless his heart, Bryan Craig’s character of Morgan is sleeping with this woman, and doesn’t apparently know who she truly is! (Laughs)

Your reaction as Kiki was emotional to the news that her mother is alive and deceived most people with her alter-ego, while Bryan Craig’s as Morgan was kind of a blank stare and very contained. 

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HAYLEY:  I loved it!  I thought it was awesome … the two of us sitting next to each other playing the reactions to the situation totally the opposite of each other.  I thought it was perfect.  We were having a blast doing these scenes.  That was one of the most fun days on set I have had at GH.  We were all buddy-buddy in the courtroom.  Honestly, we were all joking around, because they brought up the character of Brad Cooper (Parry Shen).  I never noticed it before, but Roger Howarth (Franco) realized that’s the motion picture actor, Bradley Cooper’s name.  So we were goofing around with that before the cameras were rolling.  Then I had hard time when we were taping every time they said the name, “Brad Cooper” and trying so hard not to laugh.  It was hilarious.

Now Kiki has found out that Morgan has been sleeping with her mother.  His cover is blown!

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HAYLEY:  It’s interesting, because Kiki does not know about Morgan being bipolar and that doesn’t come into play at all during the reveal on my end.  She just thinks he is cheating on her, and has no idea there is mental illness, or anything else going on.  There was an episode where Morgan gets all manic and is professing his love for her, and that he is going to get them a place, and they are going to live happily-ever-after.  But that scene started off with an argument and so throughout the argument she is very understanding.  Kiki was really trying to get through to him about Ava.  And then it’s like, “Where is this coming from?,” when Morgan switches into happy lovey-dovey mode.  There is a little bit of a clue there for her, but not enough for her to warrant her to stay with him.  It was horrible what he did to her, just awful!

Then, what does Kiki think of what Ava did to her by canoodling with her boyfriend behind her back?

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HAYLEY:  What a horrible mother!  What is so funny, and I was having this thought today: having Ava as a mother is like the worst thing that could have happened to anyone, but having Maura West as your on-screen mother is the greatest thing that could ever happen to anyone.

Did you know Maura’s work before coming to General Hospital … from her days on As the World Turns up till know?

HAYLEY:  I actually didn’t, because I had gone from the The Young and the Restless where then I was 15 years old, and then I was out of the whole soap world, so I wasn’t familiar with it anymore.  But as it turned-out, I didn’t even realize Maura had been on Y&R.  It’s all so funny and karmic the way the universe throws us all into each others orbit.  I love it, though.  It’s like we are all one big family.  Maura is a phenomenal actress, and even if she is given material that might be so absurd, she is able to take it to the next level to where it becomes so real.  It then becomes the reality of the General Hospital universe, because you believe every word out of her mouth.  I love it, because she makes me step up my game.

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Kiki has never really felt to the audience as the most fully-fleshed out character, and that is even from the time Kristen Alderson was playing the role and quickly had to shift from playing Starr Manning to the newly-created character of Kiki.  This was due to the lawsuit between ABC and Prospect Park over former OLTL characters.  Are you at all concerned where the show will take your character now?

HAYLEY:  It’s true … I can understand where it seems not fleshed-out.  I don’t know what the new writers are going to do with the character.  I just got my last couple of scripts from the previous regime and it looks like its going into a different direction.  It seems to be more about Kiki finding herself.  It’s hard sometimes to make your own character, when there is not that much to go on, and you can’t just completely fabricate a character, because you’re not the writer.

What are your thoughts then on head writer Ron Carlivati being let-go and the new head writers of Shelly Altman and Jean Passananate writing for the characters of Port Charles?

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HAYLEY:  I’m fairly new to the show.  I had met Ron a couple of times and he was lovely, and he had done a lot of great work.  I’m looking forward to the future, and I think great things are going to come, and it will be a breath of fresh air.  I think the cast is all pretty excited to see what is going to happen.

So, what do you think Kiki should do now that the truth is out about Morgan and Ava’s affair?  Do you think she would even consider taking Morgan back, if she knew, and the diagnosis was confirmed, that he was suffering from Bipolar disorder?

What did you think about Hayley’s comments about her co-stars and Michael Easton’s departure?  Would you like to see the new writing regime infuse more definitive character traits into the character of Kiki Jerome? Share your thoughts in the comment section below!

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  1. su0000 says:

    I did not care for Kiki Jerome (Hayley Erin) at all.
    She was just there, nothing much.
    Lately she has come out of her cocoon and is so much better, time and this story has done wonders for the character.

    she did say;
    ” I just got my last couple of scripts from the previous regime and it looks like its going into a different direction. It seems to be more about Kiki finding herself. ”

    It is obvious from these past weeks after Lukes exit that Ron was turning more towards characters and family .. RC was fixing things.
    ((Sonny, Carly, Morgan has been great))

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    CeeCee replied

    I agree. She just thrilled me with her forceful acting today. More power to her…she does have it in her to wow us.
    I certainly hope, su, that by ‘finding herself’ means she will finally find her real mother, Nina…..nope, I haven’t given up on that notion. LOL.
    ‘Nite, su…..today is the first day of school …..need my beauty sleep.

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    su0000 replied

    hi CeeCee :)
    Back to school!… exciting!!!

    and- you never know. the writers may make your wish come true/Nina, Kiki mother & daughter…
    I do see Kiki and Franco going back to a father & daughter relationship.

    CeeCee replied

    @su.
    Yeah, su. My son started first grade today….a milestone. I cried like an idiot after we left him in his class.
    From your mouth to the writers’s ears, su. Nina and Kiki (re)uniting.. And, yes. I would like for Franco and Kiki to resume their special bond as ‘father’ and ‘daughter’. Later.

    CTwildheart replied

    I keep thinking and hoping that Kiki is Nina’s child also.

  2. Dylan says:

    I would like to say that I tuned into GH after weeks of sporadic viewing, and I was stunned!!! I was flabbergasted!!! I dont know for sure, but i’d say Altman and Passanante’s material has begun, and I am over the moon! People talked like actuaL people!!! Not like programmed robots or cartoons. The directing was relaxed ad nd elegant. There was minimal plot development, but the episode was about families! I dont even like any of the characters who were featured in the episode except Michael, but overnight, Morgans bipolar disorder made him human, relatable, and apologetic for all the harm he did. Hayley, as Kiki, proved that with some quality writong, she CAN deliver! I was VERY impressed with her work which I have not been! Roger Howarth must have been told to tone down the Todd schtick in exchange for some good scripts. There was light banter among characters that did not as a plot point for the next scene. There were none of those 1960′s scene tags where two people are talking about someone, and one of them says something like “She can never find out!!!” And then suddenly she walks in and says “What can I never find out?” To which the character replies with the most absurd, non sensical answer like “Ok, you caught me. I was planning to buy you a parakeet!” I loathe the characters of Nina and Franco and Sonny and Carly, but today’s episode featuring them actually making me feel something….I just couldnt believe it! I knew A and P would restore balance and heart to the show, I am just amazed it happened so quickly!! I am completely on board and plan to become a regular viewer again!! It will be SO refreshing to post positive comments about this show again!!!!

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    su0000 replied

    hi Dylan..
    What you have seen since Luke’s exit has been RC..
    He was in the process of writing more couples, and family etc.. Ron was doing his thing and changing it up.
    Altman and Passanante’s material will air mid Oct.
    It was Ron who ” stunned!!! I was flabbergasted;; you :)

    Ron is a very good writer, he just need a break after the Luke exit stuff which not wholly by his hands.

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    dylan replied

    Su, first of all, writing styles do not change that drastically overnight. Ron was let go well over a month ago. GH is not on an accelerated schedule like DAYS. So while Ron may have had long term story laid oit, the day to day writing of the show is firmly out of his hands. It is clear to ANY long term viewer familiar with his writing style. It was a paradigm shift!! He doesnt write character driven, emotionally based stories. You only seem to like murder and mayhem stories….so why are you now falsely praising him for suddenly writing family and emotipnal stories. You dont like those, remember??

    SZima replied

    I think they jumped the gun by firing Ron. He DID have his hands tied while writing Tony’s exit story…and for quite a while before that because of Tony’s illness and being off the show for so long.
    Ron is a very capable writer and storyteller, but when you have all these constraints, it limits your abilities.
    I was initially happy when Ron was let go, but now realize that this mess was not his fault.

    Harry replied

    No, Dylan is partially right. Jean’s writing started showing up beginning August 1. I think she is a breakdown writer but I am not sure about that.
    Ron’s writing is still on screen and will be for another month or so?
    I think what Dylan is noticing that perhaps Ron and Jean would have made a great writing team. Maybe her voice of temperate reality anchors his propensity to write disjointed, choppy, campy stories which are out there?
    I dunno but glad to hear Dylan and others noticing some improvement.

    Spinboy replied

    No, GH is NOT on an accelerated schedule but it is more than 8 weeks’s out. Ron Carlivati was let go the end of July but the show was written through the end of September. Passanante/Altman will officially “take over” the show on the October 7th episode. This is all still Ron’s stuff. Passanante was added back as a breakdown writer the beginning of July. But this is still Ron’s story until next month. I think the Luke exit storyline was really what was holding things up and he was bringing it back to what it was before it got a little out there now that he didn’t have to deal with Anthony Geary and his outrageous storyline demands.

    Spinboy replied

    Count me as one person who is very leery about this change. Passanante/Altman do not have a great track record but people like them so they keep getting hired. Don’t assume fan favorites are going to return. A lot of those fan favorites liked Carlivati and saw that the show was being brought back to life under Carlivati and that’s why they came back. If people like Bobby and Scotty start disappearing, I’m going to be very sad. More power to P/A if they can turn it around but I just have seen them ruin too many soaps in the past to hold out hope.

    jeremy replied

    I totally agree with you :)

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    su0000 replied

    Ron changed direction after the Luke stuff that was not entirely in his hands.
    He hear people and acted and wrote more true to his OLTL stories that were character driven, so no big deal Ron he is a very talented writer and since Tony left Ron has been turning GH on fire !!!..
    Ron is the only one who can bring it back up. A mistake to let him go.
    Past weeks has shown that..
    Rons writing goes to mid October, so another month with Ron.

  3. Josh says:

    I love Hayley, as Kiki Jerome. She has beautiful hair and her acting has improved so much on General Hospital. Beautiful young lady who is a terific actress.

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  4. Joe says:

    Love Harley Erin love her comments across the board she was open some will be made that she say to much about the new writing team

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  5. su0000 says:

    Roger/Franco has been outstanding in the Silas story!! BRAVO!
    also;
    Performer of the Week (drum roll) Roger Howarth in Soap Digest !!
    An awesome article about Franco/Roger, great praise for him.

    Perhaps, Kiki will go back to substitute father, Franco..

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    Mandy replied

    I hope they kill off Franco for good, taking to much airtime. Gh will fire Roger, sooner than later.

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    su0000 replied

    Mandy-
    Franco is one of GH best characters,,’He is a sweetie with a hidden mystery..
    All the soap critics have given Franco/Roger praise.
    You should the read Franco/Roger article in Soap Digest, and the tweets are luvin Rogers Franco to pieces :)
    Roger is going nowhere, he is indeed gold ..

    I love gh replied

    I really like him with Nina. Their jail scenes were great! He just has to be written less clownish because it’s hard to take the character seriously after everything he did to pretty much the entire cast. Nina brings out his human side, and I’m enjoying that.

    Harry replied

    Does Franco have a job? Does he have anything better to do with his time then to placate all the crazy women in his life?
    Where does he live? He seems to inhabit the same island which Silas inhabited and look what happened to him.

    FRANCOFAN replied

    Roger is the best thing that ever happened to GH. Are you asleep?

    Rebecca1 replied

    I agree, Su. Franco has become so likeable. They’ve gotten rid of the infantile personality and he comes across as a man searching for love and willing to do anything for those he does love. He risked himself to save Carly…though she seems to have conveniently and ridiculously forgotten that. I mean, c’mon! He was relentless in his search to find and save her from Heather! Sonny didn’t so much as send his men out to look for her…

    Franco has been willing to sacrifice himself for Nina over and over, is quite protective over Kiki and has a charming rapport with Scottie. (I love Scottie.)

    Roger has been great! He better not be the next OlTL victim!

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  6. Spixiefan says:

    I have loved Hayley from the start, she brings a sweetness and authenticity to Kiki that is endearing… she made me cry when she was looking at the picture of her and Silas and her scenes with Maura today were perfect… “You slept with my boyfriend” LOL…. my favorite moment of the day. I’m kind of sad, cause I always loved Ava and Kiki’s relationship… I hope Ava gets out of jail, she is so entertaining, my favorite thing about GH right now, I can’t wait to see where all this goes next. Despite the fact that Kiki went back with Morgan (after leaving him for Micheal) I think Kiki hs grown a lot these past several months, I hope that continues, but I hope they keep that sweetness that Hayley has infused into her because I love that about her. Maybe sweet with a touch of crazy, she is after all Ava’s daughter lol

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  7. su0000 says:

    OK-
    Bryan is going to some great stuff ahead..
    I’m sure it will include Kiki along with Carly and Sonny..
    Bryan is a great actor with the right material, so is Hayel ..

    Frank Valentini ‏@valentinifrank 50mn ago
    If tomorrow’s episode of @GeneralHospital doesn’t win @bryan_craig an Emmy…then Earth must be flat. #GH

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    su0000 replied

    and-
    Anna is back tomorrow/ wed.

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  8. Daisy says:

    Oh and her acting when she discovered Silas was so WONDERFUL! Emmy time!

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  9. Bonnie says:

    I really like Haley also, I met her at fan club and she was just tbe sweetest. She had just come off Silas being killed and got a lot of flack for her emotions. She wanted in tbe room and I cheered her on, as I she was great . HALEY has made me care about the characterm I rhink changing her name back to Lauren will really make it her own.

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  10. Michael says:

    I wasn’t crazy about her at first, but she has gotten much better.

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    I love gh replied

    I agree. Somewhere in the last few weeks I’ve started enjoying her scenes. The character was very flat but is now coming across as multi-layered. I just wish Silas was around for this.

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  11. Geena says:

    Hayley gets a lot of flack but I prefer her much better than Kristen Alderson. I hope the character of Kiki gets to spread her wings out of the Morgan/Ava orbit that she’s stuck in. She is a Jerome so there’s got to be something they can do with that.

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  12. Janelle says:

    My thoughts are if Hayley’s hair was darker like Kristen’s was when Kristen had played Kiki that Hayley Would have fit in better as Kiki. Hayley is amazing actress and has skill but the hair color is all wrong! That would make a huge difference have Kiki’s hair the same color as she had before they recasted her!!

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  13. Janelle says:

    I love both Hayley and Kristen they both have serious skills and hope to see them both flourish in there careers as actresses!!!

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  14. fginaspy says:

    I haven’t been thrilled with HE until the Silas Murder storyline. I would welcome, as one poster noted, Kiki actually being found out to be Nina and Silas’ daughter. She would forge a new relationship with Nina and she already has one with Franco. The character may leave behind the Corrinthos and move on to new relationships.

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  15. Rebecca1 says:

    I think she’s perfect in the role. And, I never thought anyone could outdo Elizabeth Herbst’s flawless skin, lol, but Haley just might have the slightest edge!

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    Timmm replied

    Shes younger so she wins!

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    Rebecca1 replied

    Not necessarily Monsieur Timmm! Liz gets points because she’s almost twenty years older…so in actuality it’s pretty amazing that her skin is still flawless at almost 40! Both actresses are adorable…but Haley’s got this round full face like butta! Lol…not necessarily because of her age…Molly, though very pretty, doesn’t have the porcelain doll look. Lucky girls…

  16. Linda says:

    I didn’t care for Hayley at first but she has become better at the role and I hope she stays.

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  17. Timmm says:

    Haley is finding her legs now and fitting in. She was so young on Y&R and raw. You could see she had talent, she just needed some experience. She is doing much better than Kristen. The first thing I would do with Haley’s Kiki is turn her into a women. Adopt her real name. Lauren is much prettier and mature than that god awful name KIKI! Secondly, have her move in with Franco and Nina. Franco and Kiki, [Both Portrayers] had/have a special bond. Nina should be her mother. [CeeCee would love it!] Third, have her break away from the Corintho brothers. Let Lauren have a relationship with Avery. I would like to see Lauren with a whole new guy in her life. Maybe someone like Patrick or Dillon? Dillon and Lulu SUCK! Keep up the good work Haley!

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    CeeCee replied

    PS. Oh, Ti-immm….you won’t believe this!!!! It happened. The scene between Sonny and Morgan? Father and son as they emotionally hugged; Sonny with love; Morgan with a-for-dear-life-grip? I was touched…I had tears puddling in my eyes. Well, now. How do you like that?! LOL.

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    su0000 replied

    hey CeeCee,
    since Sonny has had baby Avery he has been like a teenager in love ahaa!
    And he is all gigglyjiggly over Carly and their wedding ..
    He is all lite up, his facial expressions are cute .. lol

    CeeCee replied

    I knew that was you in my inbox, su. I didn’t have to check . Your writing is so unique….love it.
    Yeah, I had to slap myself while asking; “is this really the Sonny I’ve come to know?”. LOL.

    su0000 replied

    LOL thanks..
    A mix of languages.. missing words and some that are not used say Hindi..
    did you know; Hindi has no word for sex lol need to use the American word for most all concerning it lol. Some slang for it now.
    hey! Sonny has become a trip, a cutsie..
    but– he is bad, he better always be bad. 2 sides of the coin.

    LOL thanks..
    A mix of languages.. missing words and some that are not used say Hindi..
    did you know; Hindi has no word for sex lol need to use the American word for most all concerning it lol. Some slang for it now.
    hey! Sonny has become a trip, a cutsie.. I’m getting a kick outta seeing him so goofy.. lol
    but– he is bad, he better always be bad. 2 sides of the coin.

    (( Yadi apa eka acchī posṭiṅga dosta haim angreji ko!!!

    Rebecca1 replied

    I can see Dylan and Kiki…they’d be a great couple…though if they got married she’d be Michael’s cousin!

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    Timmm replied

    Which is very soapy!

    Shay replied

    Actually, Timmm, I feel for the actress! She came on board to GH in a totally thankless role and was handed garbage scripts from Day One of her debut as a recast for a very popular soap star. (It could not have been an easy task to take over from KA….) However, for HE to turn around her character, she needs to go back and begin where Kristen left off. Have her reunite with Mikey….he’s the one with whom she needs to go commiserate over Morgan’s (and her mother’s) betrayal. Since he’s so willing to forgive just about everyone else on God’s green earth, his ex-girlfriend should also get the benefit of the doubt, not to mention the loving support of someone who’s recently been in a similar situation. This would also unshackle the Q heir from the clingy grip of the God awful Sappy! Egads, Ewwwww!!!! One minute she’s in bossy mama, know-it-all mode with him and the next, they’re making out like crazy teenagers. Basta basta…….I’m running out of barf bags! Michael, reclaim your former lady love! With her redubbed as the much classier “Lauren” (which incidentally, goes very well with the surname “Quartermaine!”) she can turn over a new leaf and become a mature, productive member of Port Charles society. As for the Nina/Franco thing, I’m really not so sure about that, Timmm! First of all, Ms. Jerome–please make that Clay!–is now an heiress. I’m certain that Silas left her a not unsubstantial legacy, so she already has the means to live independently. Secondly, hanging out with those freaky social pariahs is hardly suitable company for a young, wayward girl….she needs real adult guidance, not the influence of two halfwits who together don’t add up to one responsible, grounded, sane individual. I don’t mind Franco’s occasional “fatherly” visits with Kiki, but I would be most loath to see her in Nina’s inner circle…..whether she is truly her bio-child or not. Then again, I’m not in favor of any other GH citizens mixing with MS’s insufferable character either….that seems to be the kiss of death for them. Look at poor Silas, even Ric and Maddie…..they weren’t the problem for most viewers—SHE was—but just look at where their dopey dealings with the Noxious Nina got them!!!! (Stafford has been almost wholly rejected by GH fans, yet she manages to remain on the show whilst other far more desirable players are eliminated….why, WHY???) As for the Dillon suggestion???? I’m thinking now that Maxie is in his orbit, those two just may end up together, and it would be a far superior choice than his nauseating fauxmance with Val-Chops! And fear not, after much marital strife, Lulu and Dante will find their way back to one another…they just work, Detective Falconeri’s appalling affair with his wife’s cousin notwithstanding. (I’m still waiting with bated breath for Olivia to find out what sordid activities her boy got up to in her absence….that should be good! Definitely a smack-him- upside-the-head moment!)

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    Timmm replied

    Seems Michael and Kiki split when Chad’s real life girlfriend, Kristen, left the show. Maybe he didnt want to be in a relationship at that moment. Not sure he has any say so BUT if he did, be careful what you wish for, no hot new Kiki and now he is slurping Sappies! Eww! I love the name Lauren Quartermaine! Maybe Ava will take out the Sapinator and Michael will run back to Kiki?

    Michelle Stafford is talented BUT the character is horrible! Just like Roger Howarth, love him, hate Freako!

    Maybe ElChoppo will head to Amsterdam to visit Uncle Luke permanently! Lulu will find her way with Dumbte but I hope its with Julie Berman!

    See ya Shayster!

    Patrick replied

    just some factoid:

    Michelle STafford : debuts on GH : May 1, 2014 : 16 months later ??? !!!!
    Roger Howarth : debuts on GH : March 5, 2012 : 3 years and 6 mo. later?!

    i’m LOL …. i’ve posted how I AM patiently waiting… no longer clamoring for front seat

    Now… I still LOVE these two

    HOW LONG ARE WE going to be held hostage to Nina and Franco… going to and fro Jail and/or Shadybrook?

    WRITERS ! please write… these two in love… with Nina getting all her inheritance back… and dare them to live amongst the denizen of Port Charles and ????

    wow… it’s been so long… are we sure their is something on the horizon for these two ever?

    saving grace, for me… Roger Howarth… dreamy

    CeeCee replied

    Ahh, Shay. I think I feel comfortable and confident enough with our online strong friendship to disagree with you. We both know that we will never agree when it comes to Nina…..at least we agree to disagree. It all really comes down to the fact that you never took to Michelle, just as I never took to Donna.
    But, to blame Rick’s and MadMaddie’s comportment and diabolical scheming on Nina? Do you really think most viewers do not like Michelle. She is taking direction….she is acting as what is expected of her. She has no choice. She is a seasoned, well-respected actress.
    Furthermore, I do not think most viewers saw Nina as the problem. I did not dub Madeline with MadMaddie without a well-founded reason. Nina has been an heiress from birth. She was a baby whose personality was borne through her upbringing …..a child is at his/her parents’ mercy. Nina was emotionally abused by her mother….I pegged MadMaddie right from the beginning. The problem was never Nina. She has been the victim of her-Grendel-like-mother without no fault of hers. As I said before, being in a come for half her life spared her from her mother’s cruelty…..she is the product of her environment. In reality, what child wants to feel the sting of one’s mother’s resentment ? The problem was/is not Nina. The problem has always been MadMaddie’s greed, later reinforced by Rick’s……what an unholy alliance, that. They put things in motion, not Nina.
    Their dopey dealings, as you call them, were not brought about by Nina….nor was it Nina’s fault that these two fiendish stooges formed a bond to destroy her. They ended up where they are through their own machinations. Nina’s father left his daughter immensely rich for a reason. Obviously he did not want his wife to get the money. That is very telling . He must have seen Madeline’s madness way back when. It is only right for Nina to be the recipient of her patrimony.
    Think about this, my friend….don’t you think MadMaddie deserves her punishment? The idea that Nina, as a child, was crazy is all made up by her mother….just to get to her money. If MadMadfie had /has no remorse putting her own daughter in a coma; she has no remorse about anyone….ergo, she murdered not only Silas, but also the pharmacist. Did Nina make her do that? She has complete disregard for human life. How is that Nina’s fault? At least, we now know that Rick drew the line on murder.
    What these two did is unforgivable…..MadMaddie , the worse of the two. Most mothers try to protect their children….no matter what….to the death. I would give my life for my kids, in a New York minute….

    As far as Dillon and Lulu…I don’t see it. I agree with you….I felt something between him and Maxie ….he and Lulu just do not mesh….’there must be a spark to start a fire’.
    I think Lulu and Dante work…but something has changed…I think I changed toward these two. I lose all kinds of respect for cheaters. And, I do realize it’s a soap….it’s fiction…( so, su don’t get your skivvies in a twist…LOL). Besides, what if our Val is pregnant, Shay?
    Still friends, right, ShayGirl? Oh, gee, Shay. I just thought of La Civetta…..awaiting with bated breath. Buonanotte, bella.

    Patrick replied

    what seems very “soapy” is this movie within a ” ? … drama / serial”

    as Dillan and Lulu get that much closer… because they’re shooting sex scenes, interchanging their mindset and losing all abandon…

    Dillan doesn’t get his leading man… and will just have to step in….
    Maxie is the only one left to “monitor” and/or jumps right in… menage a trois… she wants an oscar

    ps: I think Dillan should dump Valerie and meet Kiki as well…

    GH needs to simply let go of that menage a trois… and let Morgan and Ava BE

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    Timmm replied

    Patrick, I hate this movie story line. Its a way. like you said, for characters to bump and grind, legally, lets say. What I would do is put Dante and Valerie together and pair Dillon and Maxie. Send Lulu off to find her father off camera and bring back Julie Berman, next year. As for Nathan, I’ll keep him on the show for CeeCee BUT he and Rosalie hookup. I figure the two of them acting together could become a drinking game!

    Patrick replied

    it certainly would be a way for Nathan to loosen up… I LIKE Rosalie… so… wherever spark lie… fire her up

    who’d have thunk??? Nathan figured out the murder
    LOL

    perhaps Dante is the one with bi-polar… that’s not a diss… what is … is his infidelity… like Shay said.. he needs a smack upside the head

    CeeCee replied

    @Timmm.
    Golly Gee, Timmm. I do appreciate that. More time for me to look at Nathan’s gorgeous face. I wish I could see a little more of his backside, though. I think Patrick would agree.
    See? It took Nathan’s keen sense of smell that led to MadMaddie. I just knew he had it in him….HaHaHa!!!! So there!….LOL.

    CeeCee replied

    Patrick, I don’t think there is a ménage a trois going on…unless they’re doing it off camera….LOL. Did I get Dillon’s idiotic storyline of making a movie wrong? I thought I was caught up. Is this movie about love-triangles and menages a trois? There are certain love-triangles…but, I hope to God never to see a ménage a trois……didn’t Felix, Alex and Brad try doing that? Didn’t go down too well….excuse the pun.

  18. Patrick says:

    I’m calling this…. “The lesser of two evils”

    Hayley Erin is ACTING pretty good ! congrats to you.

    the general consensus seems to be that this character was never fleshed out… Kristen Alderson… was bang up job… when she was STARR, which includes GH. The end.

    Haley Erin… is Kiki… I don’t even think of KA any more. I imagine KA in the court scenes and all that Hayley Erin has done… and it’s Hayley that comes out on top. she does flit to and fro… she has a more relaxed disposition… her face isn’t running wild or all over the place.

    so kudos to you Ms. Erin : keep on

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    Patrick replied

    MORGAN : give the kid a break… dang it! he’s a young kid making mistakes with libido…

    OH NO…. “like father, like son” they try to get Michael to become an alcoholic (ie: AJ) and now Morgan has bipolar.

    ugh! if you try to pin a label or ??? illness on and “cure” his wants, woes, and willful, and wild being….

    i don’t know… then he wont be his playboy image that … (ok, he’s a sexy man) just needs to be reeled in on his histrionics… that he’s acting out with Carly and Sonny.

    ??? if MB Thread : the general consensus … it should be done right or don’t do it all all? go their

    Momma in your face, in your business, Carly ??? was their a psych consult prior to them hounding him … that he’s just like his father? LOL

    woah !!!!!! if posts are accurate : that the new writers are going to be focusing MORE on Sonny and Carly…. GAG ME

    I like Morgan just the way he is

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    Patrick replied

    Hayley

    * she “does, not” flit to and fro

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  19. Mateo says:

    Haley did better than ever before but she cracked under the weight of Maura West. You can’t be average with a queen like Maura West. You have to really be solid. She is getting there but it’s gonna take a long time before she can keep up with the queens working alongside of her.

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  20. Cheryl says:

    I am a longtime GH view and have seen some great changes lately. As a lot of you have said, Kiki is so much better! I’m really enjoying the show so much more.

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    su0000 replied

    RC came back after Tony’s exit with new ideals and a new direction.
    Ron has turned and is bringing his A-Game!
    These past weeks have been vintage Ron..
    He remains head writer and his writing goes on until mid-Oct.

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  21. laura says:

    Your right, it’s had to warm up to a replacement character, I like the original Kiki because I knew the actress from OLTL, and I want Michael back, I want them to fix this like they fix all the dead actors, I had a cemistry with Sam, because of their history on PC. They wasted his talent. AND I’VE ALWAYS LOVED FRANCO ( TODD) he is a great funny actor. Him and Nina a perfect.

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    CeeCee replied

    I’m right there with you, Laura.

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    Shay replied

    Absolutely still FIRM friends….always, CeeCeeGirl! That was some impassioned defense of all things Nina and MS….well done! Applause, applause! You did yourself proud, and were, of course, inordinately morally correct in your assertions, however, we were on totally different pages when it came to the nature of my critique of the Nina Clay saga. I was not defending the deplorable behavior and motivations of Maddie and/or Ric in my post…rather, I was condemning the ways in which the entire Nina storyline progressed and the major players were defined and employed at the hands of the showrunners, culminating in the unforgivable loss of Michael Easton’s Silas and Donna Mill’s Magda from the GH canvas. THAT is what is at the heart of my immense displeasure. As you will undoubtedly recall, far back when this was still a fresh and shiny tale and Liesl and Madeline were first revealed to be sisters, there was a scene in Liesl’s office where Nina’s condition was discussed between the two of them….in it, Dr. O. stated that her niece had been a disturbed child and the obvious implication was that Nina was a “bad seed” who had some sort of deficiency in her psyche. That was made abundantly clear by the brilliant Obrecht, who seemed to be declaring it as a medical fact in a completely clinical manner with the authority of an expert….there was indeed something terribly wrong with Nina’s mental state, and it surfaced in childhood, long before the coma. Hence, at least at that point in time, Nina was intended to be portrayed as the off-the-wall loon she later certainly displayed every sign of being. I still buy into that educated diagnosis ala Dr. O. Why? Because if Liesl had any sort of scientific cause to doubt otherwise— that instead Maddie was the true impetus behind all of her niece’s emotional woes simply as a result of terrible parenting—-then why would she have entrusted that very woman with the care of her precious son, Nathan? (Who, incidentally, turned out to be a fine, upstanding, well-adjusted individual with the same upbringing! ) No…the original basis was that Nina was an utter whack-job and probably emerged from the birth canal that way!!! In addition, we were teased and tantalized with the promise of various family secrets from the past of the Westbourne siblings that were supposedly the key to this unholy she-beast called Nina. Unfortunately, between then and now, we came up extremely short on details and explanations…as was so often the case with most RC storylines….he totally dropped the ball, left a sloppy trail of red herrings, and reinvented the premise mid-stream, ultimately leaving us with the unsatisfying, predictable and oh so convenient scenario that, in actuality, Maddie was always the wicked one who was solely responsible for creating this sorry situation due to her own greed and Nina, if not good, then was really not all that bad, and merely an innocent, abused waif standing in the way of a fabulous fortune. (Although her brutal baby-snatching escapade with Ava definitely shed much doubt on that assumption!) In my opinion, this revision was done not only for the sake of expediency, but also to imbue Nina with a more sympathetic victim status, because, as I have previously stated, I do not believe that her character has been a huge hit with the majority of GH viewers. The only way to salvage her presence in Port Charles, justify her remaining there, and perhaps make her more acceptable(?) to the audience was to paint her as the wronged party and Madeline as the Monster Mom. That change in direction is totally where my greatest criticism lies….neither mother nor daughter was initially a black or white character…there was so much nuance that was open to interpretation, and that is what kept the story alive, and at least, reasonably compelling. Therefore, no, I don’t like the way that the Donna Mills role was turned into a complete villainess, whilst coincidentally promoting the notion that Nina was a wholly normal–but just tortured—person driven to insanity by Maddie….I find both characterizations to be just too pat, not to mention, insulting and disingenuous, and used as a last ditch effort to simultaneously tie up this arc with a neat little bow, move on asap and secure MS’s place on the show….sans both Magda and the unjustly murdered Silas, who were unnecessarily sacrificed on her behalf. ( As for SickRic, he’s always been a slimy goofball…whatever happens to him, I really care not, and if I’d had my druthers, I’d have made him Dr. Clay’s killer so that his smarmy mug would have been eliminated from the picture as opposed to that of the glamorous Madeline, who had a lot of dramatic mileage left to extract with her “Swiss Sis,” Liesl.) At any rate, I hope this lengthy explanation more capably elucidates my position on this subject. Whilst you are superbly spot-on that I have never welcomed the inclusion of MS to the GH canvas, my objections go far beyond a mere dislike of a single individual….I’ve found both the character and storyline to also be horribly unbearable, as well….in other words, it all made for a terrible trifecta in terms of soap opera viewing, and at this late date, nothing could possibly make me feel otherwise, not even those lovely, heartfelt sentiments you expressed for your beloved actress, dear CeeCee! (But for the record, I’m also getting that same deja vu feeling regarding RB’s Hayden….just saying. LOL.) P.S. I’m sending this post under a different topic to hopefully insure it reaches your inbox….fingers crossed!)

    CeeCee replied

    @Shay.
    WOW!!!! How impressive is your writing? You put the Brontes to shame. Such sofistcated writing, my dear friend….yet, so simply and thoughtfully put.
    I’m sorry my brain went in a different direction. I suppose it’s because I’m always on the defensive when it comes to Michelle.
    Also, I need to keep it straight in my head that you are talking about the character. Yes, you said it…I become very impassioned when it comes to her. However, I did say, many times, that I am appalled with what these writers have done to Michelle…and Roger. It is so heartbreaking to watch this thespian whose acting has always rocked my world be reduced to a petulant child. Then again, it does show the many colorful dimensions/facets about/of her. I also said that unless ‘they’ get her out of this trance, as it were, Michelle should step off the stage. She deserves to shine…that’s what I’m used to seeing.
    As far as Dr O, she has a few screws loose herself, so one could conclude that insanity is in Nina’s genes. I really do not put too much stock into what a disturbed woman such as she says. As much as I LOVE our dear Dr. O, she has pulled some really crazy stunts, as did her daughter Britt.
    I would still argue that MadMaddie fried Nina’s brain with her lack of genuine motherly love. Who knows why Madeline put Nathan on a pedestal !! ….perhaps her motives were sexual…I would not put anything past her sick mind….but, Nina was the goose that had lain the golden eggs. She was the only obstacle that kept MadMaddie from that bountiful nest. As I had said, Lord only knows how this devil- mother conditioned her daughter. There’s much more Liesl does not know…..at the same time, I think she knows so much more that she is saying…..remember the secret she mentioned to Nina?
    Assuming, Nina, as a child, manifested signs of not being ‘normal’ or how a ‘normal’ child
    would act, Madeline saw dollar signs and made it a lifetime mission to cash in at Nina’s expense.
    I wish this story could go further…deeply delve into all their minds and past lives. ….try to bust the travesty that is/was Nina’s past life, at the seams. Perhaps, not all is lost. Madeline is in jail….so what?…..a most challenging story could still be told. Now, that would raptly hold my attention. Especially if Liesl is involved. Hey, this could be Franco’s and Nina’s new adventure. A story told in a sensible and tangible fashion….giving the characters mature personalities, sans the silliness.
    Furthermore, it would be such a plot twist if Nina’s father were alive and turns out to be a Cassadine……one who has kept himself unknown and lives in ignonimity. Hey, Nina and Nathan could really be siblings, afterall.
    Parleremo presto, bell’amica.

    Shay replied

    Molte, molte grazie, dear CeeCee! Although I certainly wouldn’t dare to dream that any of my GH posts could ever approach the Brontean heights of masterpieces like Jane Eyre or Wuthering Heights, for you to even suggest the comparison with your generous sentiments is highly flattering and much appreciated—to say the least! Furthermore, I’m so glad we now perfectly understand each other where your beloved Nina/MS are involved, since I would never want you to imagine that I have anything but the utmost respect and admiration for your point of view on this actress and her role. Despite our not sharing that same perspective, I do believe it’s quite safe to state that we both harbor extreme disappointment in her character and storyline, even if for totally diverse reasons. (Isn’t it funny how we can so easily agree to disagree on any subject and it’s no big deal whatsoever, and yet, where others are concerned, well, such is SO not the case?—-Understatement!—- Incidentally, I apologize for taking so long to reply here…..obviously, I became waylaid in my response due to that “La Civetta” nonsense on the “Bryan Craig” thread, although you’d never know it, judging by the sparsely posted results of my numerous attempts at commentary. By the way, I thoroughly enjoyed your spirited remarks that did make it online….extremely well put, and oh so true! I swear, that situation’s become akin to “Groundhog Day,” hasn’t it????? In the immortal words of the late, great and still much-missed comedic doyenne, Joan Rivers, I simply say “Oh, grow up!” That, plus move on and get a life!) Anyway, returning to the actual topic at hand, we do have a meeting of the minds when it comes to desiring a more substantial backstory and explanation of all things referencing the “Family Westbourne.” There was so much rich material which could have been mined for the characters of Liesl, Magda, Nathan, Britt (Bring her back…stat!) and yes, even your Nina. The manner in which this saga first lazily meandered—then abruptly ended in such a slapdash effort—-was most unsatisfying indeed, and I concur that one or more nefarious Cassadine connections could have added a morish mystique to this murky brood’s less-than-savory origins and ongoing escapades. Whether we shall ever reach those giddily Gothic heights with a further examination of this far-too-abridged tale of grift and greed is anyone’s guess….with so much unwarranted attention afforded to the current orgy of affection for all things Sonny-centric, it would appear not. Let’s simply say I shall not be holding my breath for any further clarifications. However, I’m still not sold on a continued Franco and Nina coupling….RoHo has such a unique talent and presence, and I feel that MS’s inclusion in his character’s orbit holds him back. I like when he is painted with much broader, outre’ strokes….without them, his exuberance is tamped down, and it’s like he is imprisoned whilst being on the verge of bursting forth with all of his pent-up brilliance. I consider his Franco to be at his best when combined in scenes with either Dr. O. or his bat-guano crazy bio-mom, Heather. (Let’s just say lunatics love kindred company and leave it at that! Hey, maybe MadMaddie—Hat tip to your personally-coined moniker!—could turn up in Heather’s mental milieu…perhaps they’d even compare notes on maniacal mothering techniques! That would be some sideshow, eh?…..LOL.) At any rate, I suppose I should be winding up this post…..I’ve been lingering here at MFSoaps for hours on end with all the current GH threads …..thank you again for your always gracious compliments, CeeCeeGirl! They are such a sweet delight and obviously a most-marked departure from the repeated rounds of bashing we seem fated to endure in order to continue the privilege of trading our thoughts here with one another. Oh well….que sera, sera! Later!

  22. Rodd says:

    Sorry, but if Kiki left PC to “find herself”, I wouldn’t be upset. I was having trouble caring about this character even when KA was playing her and HE hasn’t exactly wowed me except when she’s angry. With so many other characters I’d rather see on screen, I hope the in-coming regime send her back to Grandma Delia in NYC.

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    Shay replied

    @Rodd…I’d much prefer “Grandma Delia” relocate to Port Charles to keep an eye on Kiki….that lady’s a real kick! Selecting Ilene Kristen’s classic Ryan’s Hope character as Ava’s bio-mom was the one truly creative twist to Ron C.’s reimagined Jerome family saga!!!

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  23. Jane says:

    I’m not seeing how great she is has but the name Kiki isn’t helping either.
    Roger Howarth is something else.

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  24. brenda says:

    I’ve actually started to like Kiki now that Hayley is playing the role and don’t FF the scenes with Kiki in it. I hope she is able to stay on GH now with the new writers.

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  25. kg says:

    kiki don’t leave what would happen if everybody blows up again then everybody on gh will get really hurt sonny is the biggest one that could hurt so many people don’t you do it too

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