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30 June 4th, 2013 Van Hansis and Kit Williamson Interview – EastSiders Season Finale!

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Today is a not-to-be-missed episode of LogoTv.com’s hit web series EastSiders, starring the brilliant work of Van Hansis and Kit Williamson.

Throughout the nine episode arc viewers have come to love, hate, be shocked, and take a look at their own lives and the decisions they make in their own relationships, as we have watched the train-wreck of a once loving duo, Thom and Cal, fall apart amidst infidelity, trust issues, and bad, very bad, communication skills.

Written and produced by Williamson, this self-effacing, dark, poetic story tells the tale of the dissolution of a young gay couple, as well as the story of the relationship of their friends, Ian (John Halbeck) and Kathy (Constance Wu).

On-Air On-Soaps has covered the series throughout its run, and today brings you this special look into the heart and soul of the story as we head into the season finale with a terrific conversation with Van and Kit.  Do not miss the finale episode beginning today at 3PMEST/12PMPST!

Let’s first go back to episode three, which is critical to the story of EastSiders.  Cal ends up sleeping with Jeremy!  The same guy his boyfriend cheated on him with!  What happened there?

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KIT:  Cal actually goes into Thom’s office and gets Jeremy’s address, and goes over there to confront him, and he finds out Jeremy had no idea who he is.  And … they get drunk together and actually have sex.

Did Cal just not care at all about what he was doing at that point?

KIT:  I think he cared, but the other thing he found out was Thom really never ended things with Jeremy.  He just kind of stopped, and he stopped talking to him.  I think Cal sleeping with Jeremy was done part from a place of revenge, and part from a place of hurt and drunkenness.  He was kind of lashing out at the situation, which we later see Cal do more and more of, as time went on.

Then, another key moment in the series was when Thom got clued into what was going on when Jeremy showed up at the bar with two envelopes … one for Thom and one for Cal!  But when did he put two and two together?

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VAN:  It was Thom is in the car with Kathy, and Kathy makes a comment.  Thom is sitting right there, so he kind of puts everything together.  So at the end of episode six you saw Cal come home drunk.  Thom has just dropped Kathy off at home, and Thom is waiting for him, and Cal walks and … boom!

So, is Cal sleeping around (with a few guys in the series) because he just feels so betrayed by Thom, and so he acted out? 

KIT:  He in many ways defined his life by his relationships, and when his vision of life with Thom was shattered, Cal really does not know who he is anymore, and he is lashing out in ways he has never done before.  Another thing people found out in episode three was Thom is actually the only person Cal has slept with before the series starts.  At the beginning of the series, Cal in many ways, and through all his cynicism, is a romantic. Never in a million years would he imagine that something like this would happen to him and his relationship.  So I think he is very lost and does not know what to do to make the feelings subside, but in the story, a lot of time has passed.  If you are going to stay together, you have to forgive somebody for their indiscretions … IF you are going to stay together.  

Val and Kathy had that moment in episode six, where he says to her something along the lines of, “I am a bad person.”  Does he truly feel that way?

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VAN: I think with Thom it is sort of like, he knows he has a problem, like with some sort of addiction, and when you know you have that problem you are constantly having this notion that you have to keep yourself in check.  There is that thing out there that you could fall into, but you are trying desperately not too.  I think that Thom is kind of trying to be the good person he knows he should be, and be very contentious about Cal, but I think that is very hard for him.  Cal is not making it easy for him.  I think throughout most of the series, Thom has this feeling of constantly being in the “dog house”.  Cal says he forgives him, but he does not know if things will ever get back to a place from the first initial mistake he made, and that is what he wants to see.  So I think that Thom is very wary of doing anything that will throw that off balance.   I think his way of doing it is he keeps looking inward.  That is why with Kathy he has that line that I love, about “What I do tomorrow, will make me a good person.”  He is literally taking it one day at a time.  Like “Don’t screw up today, and maybe tomorrow you will take another step, and then another step. Then, maybe you will be the person who won’t hurt the person you love most in the world, anymore.”

How did Thom feel when he realized that Cal has been cheating on him all this time?

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VAN:   I think he is devastated and incredibly upset.  All this time he was trying to make amends and Cal was going off and doing the exact opposite.  The whole series has been about not communicating with each other.  It is like two airplanes … one flying east and one flying west, and they are trying to parachute out of it at the same time.

KIT:  Thom disappears in episodes four and five.   What I was trying to suggest by doing that in the storytelling is that he was kind of isolated and doing penance.

VAN: That is what I felt too, when I was watching it!

KIT:  He just wakes up, and goes to work, and comes home!  He does not have any friends or any other outlet to talk to but Cal.  He is just ignoring all these text messages and calls from Jeremy, and trying to not dig himself into a deeper hole.

VAN:   I think that is something, in watching it, I realized.   We shot all the episodes at once.  So we were going from episode four, to episode nine, back to episode four.  Everything was shot out of order, so when you see it all together, you really get that sense of the story.  I remember when I watched the first couple of episodes I was like, “Oh man, Thom is kind of a shit.”   Then I was like, “Oh, poor Thom!”

Kit’s writing is so complex!  Constance Wu’s performance after her character, Kathy, has an abortion was amazing!

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VAN: You should have been sitting in the car next to her!  It was incredible!

Kit, I understand you got some serious backlash on the way that abortion was portrayed on EastSiders!

KIT:  When they see an abortion represented on television, there is an expectation that a person is going to be punished for it.  I did not want to go that route, because I don’t believe a woman should be punished for choosing to have an abortion.  It is her body.  It is her reproductive rights.  I wanted to approach the issue without any judgment.  I wrote an article on the Huffington Post about this a few weeks ago.  I just had wished that the story point would have started a discussion, instead of vitriol back and forth.  We are not use to seeing, for lack of better term, a non-melodramatic abortion.  We are not use to seeing it handled in the way, that most of my friends that have undergone the procedure have relayed their experiences to me, that it was not a traumatic experience for them. The very fact of representing a character not being haunted by her abortion is upsetting to some people.

I called EastSiders, “Riveting to watch”!  Then I got some backlash from fans saying, “How can it be riveting, when all it is everyone sleeping around with everybody?”

VAN:   Well, that can be riveting! (Laughs) You know, there is not a sex scene in the whole series.

Good Point!

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KIT:  I am not opposed to sex scenes, and it’s not something I will never write, but for this story it felt like the sex was so incidental.  It was the emotional ramifications of the sex, and in many ways thematically.  It’s a story about self-sabotage, and a story about emotional dishonesty and not just infidelity, but the way that we hide ourselves from people we are in relationships with.  Thinking we are protecting ourselves and protecting the relationship, but really it is just leading to a path of destruction.

Van, how far ahead did you get to see the script before the seven new episodes were shot after the success of the Kickstarter campaign?  Just a few days?  Was there time to prepare? (Laughs)

VAN:  (Laughs) The script got sent two weeks before we started shooting.  I had some time to sit with it and go over it.  But one of things that was in the scripts that comes out and kind of shocked me when I was watching it back, was honestly, how dark it is. The script is so funny, and what the characters are saying is so funny, but this is Kit’s writing and the performances as well, but there is almost an undercurrent of sadness throughout the entire thing.  I think that is what you meant earlier by “riveting”.   I am a pretty happy-go-lucky guy, but there is always some edge in life.  I think there is a lot of darkness in the writing that I did not initially see.  I think that is what is really beautiful. It’s not just a lot of clever people saying very clever things to each other.  The cleverness and the funniness comes out of the darkness.

Van, when you first read that Cal was going to cheat too, were you shocked?

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VAN:   No, (Laughs) because of the stuff with Jeremy I was not completely shocked.  I knew that Thom probably would not cheat again, because that would probably just make him a douche bag.  I don’t think Kit writes characters like that.  I knew there was going to be nine episodes and so something has to happen.  I did not know if Cal would sleep with someone else, or he and Jeremy would start a relationship, but I knew something was going to happen.

What is Thom thinking about Jeremy, now that he knows he slept with Cal too?

VAN:  At first he was really into Jeremy, but then when Thom realized what a cad he was being, I think he prioritized.  I don’t think Thom is just going to have in his lifetime just one person he is in love with.  I think there are a lot of people like that.  I think there are people who don’t have the ability to just love one person, and I don’t necessarily think that is a bad thing.  I think Thom is always going to be the type of person, who falls in love with someone driving down the 101 freeway, and stops in traffic, and looks at him.  He might imagine a life together, or night together with that person, at least.  I think Thom was really trying to be what he thought his boyfriend needed him to be.  I think when he finds out that Cal had been sleeping around this whole time, it’s even more of a shock.  It’s like he feels, “I was trying to conform myself to you, and you are off doing whatever the hell you want without any regard to me, or how much I want to make this work.”  I think that is just in Thom’s psyche, to think of himself a lot!  (Laughs)

KIT:  The thing is, Cal is not having any fun.  I don’t think his cheating comes from a place of sexual indulgence.  He is really trying to stop the bleeding, as it were, for himself emotionally, as it were.  He is just going further and further down this path.  It only multiplies his hurt, exponentially, but he does not know what to do.

Episode seven was a jump in time, which was key to the telling of the overall story!

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KIT:  Yes. We jumped ahead in time to the end of the month, and they are moving out of their apartment because they have broken up.  The entire apartment is in boxes.  It is kind of dividing up the silverware and navigating that.  Kathy and Ian have broken up as well, but have started sleeping with each other again.  Thom has started actually dating Jeremy.  You don’t see the actual break-up, but things are very raw between Thom and Cal at the very beginning of that episode.

What is the vibe from the fans of EastSiders that you have been getting now that we are at the series finale?  Are they still siding with Cal?  Or, are some siding with Thom?  Or, both?  Or, neither? (Laughs)

KIT:  I think that people’s allegiances have shifted.  Because at the end of episode two, everybody was very much on Cal’s side, but the tricky things about relationships is you can’t have one person be right, and one person be wrong, and maintain a relationship. I am not saying that Cal was right to level the playing field, but it is just as much for a toxic situation for Thom to be walking around with his head bowed all day, every day.  In that regard, something had to give in other direction.  I think people are really mad at Cal, and for good reason!  I just hope they remember how they felt a lot of empathy for him in the first two episodes!  I am not saying getting wasted, or turning to alcohol, is way to solve people’s relationship problems, it never works, but I understand why some people try.  (Laughs)

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VAN:  I think some people love Thom, and some people don’t.  I look it more as the entire show, and not from a character’s point of view.  From what I have noticed, a lot of people who would not necessarily be the target audience, and friends of mine, or people who I saw on facebook who I don’t know at all, will say, “I saw your web series. It’s amazing!”   I think what I really love about this show is that it’s going in all of these directions, and the stories it’s telling, and it’s not about the sexuality of the characters. And, as far as who is on Team Cal or Team Thom?  I don’t really care.  I am not on either team, because I think the really interesting thing is that what Kit said is right, you can’t have teams.  Teams are for sports, not for defining people.

On today’s season finale, is there a cliffhanger?  What can viewers expect?

KIT:  Episode nine takes place on the last day of Thom and Cal’s lease.  It’s moving day, and nothing will ever be the same.

So EastSiders, Van and Kit fans, what did you think about the first season of the series? Today’s finale episode? The relationship between Thom and Cal, and the performances of Kit and Van throughout?  Weigh-in!

 

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  1. mmc says:

    Season one was wonderful….so many unexpected twists & turns, watching a loving relationship crash & burn.the writing was wonderful, Kit is brilliant in so many ways, & Van, someone i’ve been watching for years….he always gives 100% to any part he plays & becomes the character.Matt, Constance, & John were all wonderful.The characters were complex & we got to expect the unexpected.I’ll be moping around on Tuesdays & just hope there will be a Season 2.A great interview Michael…thank you….& thank you Van & kit….for everything….♥~

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  2. Jay says:

    This interview highlights everything that is wrong with this web series. If the characters’ motivations had been clear to the audience, we wouldn’t need an endless interview pointing them out, would we? The show had a lot of potential and lived up to none of it.

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    EDDIE EMMONS replied

    Poor Van…..I wouldn’t include this in any “reel”…..at least the entire ordeal is a testament to the love the audience has for this incredible artist.Van is extraordinary.Even this dismal mess can’t permanently stain his career.

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    James replied

    I thought the show was complex, exciting and really well written. What were you confused by, exactly?

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  3. RLeternal says:

    I liked Luke-Reid-Noah very much; still do and always will. But, since, Van has indicated, that comparing EastSiders, Thom to ATWT, Luke is like comparing a pea to a potato; and since, Cal-Thom-Jeremy SL is nothing like Luke-Reid-Noah SL; there is no point in drawing out pros and cons of the 2 SLs.

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  4. Val says:

    Fantastic show!! Loved seeing Van Hansis starring in it and a newbie Matthew McKelligon is one to watch! Thanks Kit. I think it ended just right.

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  5. Ann says:

    I really wanted to like this series because of Van but I was very disappointed. I won’t be tuning in to season 2 if there is one.

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  6. Brett says:

    I am loving this series, I really hope there’s a second season.

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  7. Eileen says:

    Sorry, but this is such a sad waste of Van Hansis’ talent. Kit Williamson is who exactly? If it was not for the Van fanbase this piece of dreck would never have been made. Having the series more or less center around the oh-so-uninteresting character of Cal is a major fail. I know I can’t sit through any more of wishy-washy Cal and his passive-aggressive woe-is-me routine. A better, more charismatic actor (Eric Sheffer Stevens?) might have made the part worthwhile. Poor Van deserves way better than this.

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    EDDIE EMMONS replied

    To be fair,none of the characters are interesting…..all pathetic.Poor Van.

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    James replied

    You’re right Eddie. A show about people posting spiteful, petty comments on an interview would be much more interesting. The characters in EastSiders are definitely the pathetic ones here.

    EDDIE EMMONS replied

    lol Your version of “spiteful”,”petty” comments is real criticism Van would/will face if he ever gains real fame…..he won’t be handled with kid gloves like he is among his fans and the soap press…….

    Val replied

    At least it got Van on screen again Eileen and just for that we all love Kit!! Surely Van has moved on from working with Eric again and Jake.

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    Eileen replied

    Eric was just a suggestion since my only exposure to Van was ATWT and he was his strongest acting partner on that show. I would be glad to see Van work with a lot of worthy actors. Kit W is not one of them. He is bland and generic. As for being grateful to him (Kit) you do realize that Van was the one whose name attracted the fundraisers. No one ever heard of Kit.

    Val replied

    No but they know Kit’s name now esp with his success in Mad Men.

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    Sarah White Sees replied

    Three episodes as a copywriter with little to no dialogue does not a star make.

  8. Hanah says:

    I thought Eastsiders was really good the characters were believable and complex, who wanted to strive to be good. It was great to see Van again and thank you Kit for giving him the role, it was a good casting choice, all the characters were well cast and strong. Kit, Eastsiders was brilliant and you should be so proud of your work!

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    Eileen replied

    Brilliant?! You haven’t seen much have you?

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    Val replied

    Eileen go take your uncalled insults elsewhere.

    Hanah replied

    I saw every episode and enjoyed every episode. And I’ve also seen a lot of Kit’s other work too, so i have seen a lot. He’s a really versatile actor and remember he was writing, directing and starring as well as having other projects and work on at the same time as making Eastsiders. He is a very hard working and dedicated man to his craft.

    EDDIE EMMONS replied

    Uh Eileen is giving her opinion,which she’s entitled to do……..just because everyone in the Van fandom gushes ad nauseum over everything he does,doesn’t mean we’re all without objectivity……Van has never been more bland than in this “role”….complete snoozeville….I can barely endure a 15 minute episode…..

  9. Eileen says:

    Val dear chill out and take your meds. A comment page invites all opinions. If you want everyone to agree with you don’t go to one. I think Van deserves much better than this crap and if you like it, good for you. As for “uncalled for” just who gets to decide that. Grow up.

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    EDDIE EMMONS replied

    lol Rock on, Gold Dust Woman.

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    Val replied

    Well ok then. I enjoyed the show and seeing Van on our screens again. End of.

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    James replied

    Eileen and Eddy, it’s funny how you say that “a comment page invites all opinions. If you want everyone to agree with you don’t go to one” while you attack people for stating their opinion. You attacked Hannah for liking the show and then you attacked Val for defending her. Seems to me that calling your comments “uncalled for” was Val’s opinion. So yeah, she does get to decide what is and is not uncalled for. Other people are also entitled to their opinions, not just you. The only difference is that the other people commenting here seem capable of civility, whereas the two of you are rude and hateful towards other commenters, the show, the characters and even the actors involved. Why on earth you would even watch a show you seem to hate made by people you seem to hate is beyond me. I know I’m just feeding the trolls here, but I sincerely encourage you both to evaluate what, exactly, you gain from spreading so much negativity online.

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    EDDIE EMMONS replied

    The majority of your diatribe quotes Eileen so she can address that if she so chooses…..as for rude and hateful……I can always defend my comments/opinions …..one can’t be hateful to a “show” or a “character” for they don’t have feelings and can’t be hurt……both are figments of anothers imagination…..Van Hansis and Kit Williamson are both big boys….they’ll survive the criticism….ultimately Kit may bring about “The Emancipation of Van Hansis”….for it’s surely his influence that has Van finally discussing his “partner”…….

    Vanlover replied

    Ha ha ha ha The Emancipation of Van Hansis – Jeez does that bring back some memories of a group on facebook ha ha ha An idiot ran it if I remember correctly and even Van deleted the nutter from his Facebook….ha ha ha

  10. Eileen says:

    “James” or whatever your real name is, I am not being hateful. You really need to grow up. I don’t find Kit Williamson that talented and I think he is bland and generic. I am a fan of Van’s and wish that he would get something of much better quality. Being rude and hateful towards “characters” and a show???? Whatever. Who does not like some characters on a show or in a movie and vice-versa. You seem way too involved in this that you are taking offense so easily over someone who is not praising the show. I was flip to Val, but it was a joke. I also did not say anyone was not entitled to their opinion. I just find some of Van’s fans, including you, very lacking in objectivity. I am also not a troll. I watched the show because I was anxious to see Van again and watched it all to make an honest evaluation (and given the brevity of the episodes it did not take time). In my opinion it got increasingly less interesting and not that good. I will not watch another season. As for evaluating what I get out “spreading negativity” – I gave an opinion on a show I happened to think stank. If I liked it, it would be positive. Pretty simple. Using your logic, people should only post comments if they liked something. Also, for the record, I don’t personally hate anyone, including KW, associated with the show – I don’t know them. I don’t, however, think he is a very good actor. Van is fabulous, but this was not his best role.

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  11. Sarah White Sees says:

    I only watched this web series because Van Hansis was in it. Thankfully, his career will not be defined by this generic series. Van Hansis is a magical actor and deserves far better material than what he was given here. Let’s be clear: this series would have never been given more episodes unless Van’s name was attached to it.

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  12. EDDIE EMMONS says:

    It’s ironic that some of the same people that made digs about Jake Silbermann during the run of ATWT are now outraged that others take shots at Kit Williamson.Actors are fair game.Of course I’m tough on Van……“To those whom much is given, much is expected.” ………….

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